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To: HarleyD; D-fendr; kosta50
Now, does any of us here think we love the Lord with all our hearts, soul and mind? Does anybody here really love their neighbor as themselves? I would suggest we fail on both accounts.

Did anyone, anywhere ever suggest that we succeed perfectly? It's the goal toward which we strive. Unless, of course, you deny that we can or should strive. (I'm reminded of teachers who think that any test on which anyone in the class gets 100% is not a real test!)

Man cannot live by the laws and commandments no matter how good they are.

To the extent that someone is "good," isn't he living by the commandments?

Man relies upon God's grace and mercy for when we fail to keep the commands.

So we don't rely on God's grace and mercy when we succeed in keeping a commandment? Oh, wait . . . unless we never keep them. Does God issue commandments, the fulfillment of which is necessary to eternal life knowing that we cannot keep them, even with His grace -- so He decides arbitrarily that some will be exempt and saved anyway?

Christians do love God and they show this love by enacting justice throughout the world.

The "justice" that chooses some and rejects others arbitrarily? Not quite sure what you mean here, but there seems to be little enough justice here below.

They illustrate their love for God through numerous charitable works.

Maybe it's not what you intend, but the way you say this seems to make clear why "as cold as charity" is an old expression! Since you're not specific, I can only assume you mean by "charitable works" such common forms as almsgiving in whatever form and perhaps volunteering. We are, of course, commanded to give to the poor, but that's a separate commandment from that of love of neighbor. Almsgiving without love gives us the horror of the welfare state. Are you suggesting that the rich don't count as our neighbors or that the destitute are somehow exempt from the commandment to love our neighbor?

So what does "love of neighbor" mean? To me, it's to keep the awareness that each is made in the image and likeness of God, however sadly or horribly that image is obscured in a given individual; to remember always that, as God is love (a point on which you agreed), He loves each immeasurably and more than we can imagine; He can do no other than love -- to say which is not to put a limitation on His power than to say His power is limited because He cannot create a square circle. God doesn't do nonsense.

But it is all because of God working through us. I suspect that you would agree that you cannot name one good act that you've done on your own for someone without the help of God.

Can't argue there -- but God not only created us, it is His love and grace that keep us in being at all! Should God -- per impossibile -- cease to love us, we simply would cease to be at all.

6,348 posted on 09/20/2010 3:09:36 AM PDT by maryz
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To: maryz; HarleyD; D-fendr

Precisely, and that's what Judaism is all about: a goal to honestly try, even if you honestly fail, to keep all the commandments. The idea is not that he must succeed one hundred percent, but to try one hundred percent of the time.

In the OT, it means that you should treat another Jew as yourself. Christians expanded "a Jew" to mean "fellow man," to recognize, as you say, that each human being is God's creature capable of being saved through the sacrifice made on the cross.

6,363 posted on 09/20/2010 7:56:23 AM PDT by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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