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To: HarleyD; kosta50; maryz; bkaycee
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When I follow the Lord's will, I'm fine. When I follow my will I fail, but the Lord will guide me back to the right path.

I swear, Harley, when I discuss free will with you, I feel like I'm watching a man walking around claiming he is lame.

6,316 posted on 09/19/2010 7:35:06 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr; kosta50; maryz; bkaycee
I swear, Harley, when I discuss free will with you, I feel like I'm watching a man walking around claiming he is lame.

That's because everyone keeps bringing up "free will" and I keep insisting there is no such thing. There is only God's will and man's will. God's will is good. Man's will is bad (to do the things of God). The concept of "free will" is the interjection of a third choice and implies man is capable of doing the things of God (e.g. man can choose God, man can do the works of God, man can behave and be very good). There is nothing in scripture that would back this claim of free will up.

Every Reformer that I have read will readily insist that man has a will (even Calvin). That will is held in bondage and, once free, it is capable of doing the works of God. But it is only when man's will is free can it be guided by the Holy Spirit to do the things of God. This is the technically accruate description of what happens. But there is no free will by which man can do things pleasing to God. It is impossible.

6,535 posted on 09/20/2010 6:38:07 PM PDT by HarleyD
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