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To: D-fendr
I am of course describing the view according to Westminster Confession.

Here is what the Westminster Confession states about free will and the effectual calling of man:

Now given the Westminster Confession above and the scriptural references (at site), what would you disagree with?
5,807 posted on 09/17/2010 1:52:09 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD
Now given the Westminster Confession above and the scriptural references (at site), what would you disagree with?

Double predestination. Chapter Three. While parts of the Confession say man has free will, others show what this means. Chapter Three denies free will. God predetermines and foreordains - heaven or hell "without any foresight of faith, or good works, or perseverance in either of them, or any other thing in the creature, as conditions, or causes moving Him thereunto."

Not based or foreknowledge, but "These angels and men, thus predestinated, and foreordained, are particularly and unchangeably designed." Unchangeably designed to believe or not believe. Man does not have this choice.

It critical to free will and salvation that the Confession says it is predetermined whether they will believe or not. The portions you posted have to do with the process, but it is an unchangeable process, predetermined for man. Man cannot but do and choose how he was predetermined and foreordained to.

To me, this is not free will, it programming. The human executes the program, in the same way as a computer does.

Thanks for your post and courteous discussion.

5,867 posted on 09/17/2010 12:58:31 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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