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To: bronx2; Quix
There is no such thing as a "sin of presumption."

In fact, it is a much more grave error to disbelieve the word of God and to doubt Christ's atoning work on the cross on behalf of His sheep who have been named and numbered by God from before the foundation of the world.

Repent of that disbelief. It's unGodly. Read the Bible and know the truth.

"And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,

Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work." -- 2 Thess. 2:10-17

Bible-believing Christians are secure in Paul's teaching that they possess "good hope through grace" in the everlasting love Christ has shown them "from the beginning."

And before we hear from the RC apologists touting Paul's assertion of "tradition," let us remember that this "tradition" encompasses the teaching of Christ and His apostles, and not the fictitious doctrines of men which Rome has spent centuries concocting in contradiction to the word of God.

As Calvin wrote of this verse in his commentary on 2 Thess. 2:14...

"...The context, however, as I have said, requires that it be taken here to mean the whole of that doctrine in which they had been instructed. For the matter treated of is the most important of all — that their faith may remain secure in the midst of a dreadful agitation of the Church.

Papists, however, act a foolish part in gathering from this that their traditions ought to be observed. They reason, indeed, in this manner — that if it was allowable for Paul to enjoin traditions, it was allowable also for other teachers; and that, if it was a pious thing to observe the former, the latter also ought not less to be observed. Granting them, however, that Paul speaks of precepts belonging to the external government of the Church, I say that they were, nevertheless, not contrived by him, but divinely communicated. For he declares elsewhere, (1 Corinthians 7:35,) that it was not his intention to ensnare consciences, as it was not lawful, either for himself, or for all the Apostles together.

They act a still more ridiculous part in making it their aim to pass off, under this, the abominable sink of their own superstitions, as though they were the traditions of Paul. But farewell to these trifles, when we are in possession of Paul’s true meaning. And we may judge in part from this Epistle what traditions he here recommends, for he says — whether by word, that is, discourse, or by epistle. Now, what do these Epistles contain but pure doctrine, which overturns to the very foundation the whole of the Papacy, and every invention that is at variance with the simplicity of the Gospel?


579 posted on 08/30/2010 10:30:51 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Disabuse yourself of such nonsensical rants. The Sin of presumption is the core message incorporated into Mt 7 21:22. Be one who interprets the bible in accordance with and pursuant to the Will Of God. Renounce pagan prideful interpretations and accept Jesus as you Lord and Savior. Accept the Truth as He will set you free.


584 posted on 08/30/2010 10:38:42 AM PDT by bronx2 (while Jesus is the Alpha /Omega He has given us rituals which you reject to obtain the graces as to)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

INDEED. WELL PUT.

THANKS THANKS.


585 posted on 08/30/2010 10:38:55 AM PDT by Quix (C THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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