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To: Legatus; Alex Murphy
these souls enjoy and will eternally enjoy a state of perfect natural happiness

More RC double-speak. The quote you cite doesn't say "heaven," does it? It doesn't say infants will be in the presence of God or see His face.

"Perfect natural happiness." lol. I prefer the supernatural happiness of heaven.

I bet those babies supposedly in Limbo would prefer that, too.

5,726 posted on 09/16/2010 8:24:16 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Legatus
It doesn't say infants will be in the presence of God or see His face.

Any way you slice it, it's more merciful than "foreordained to everlasting death."

5,728 posted on 09/16/2010 8:33:42 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
More RC double-speak.

WOULD

it kill you

NOT TO SPIT

when you address me?

Certainly if it would, then GO RIGHT AHEAD and spit yourself

silly.

But if we're not

Talking

about a stroke or a HERNIA

then maybe you could KIND of, oh, I don't know...

!!!STOP SPITTING!!!

I realize that the religion forum is sort of the dumping ground for "you're a booger brain"

"NO YOU ARE"

kind of "debate" but frankly my clothes are getting wet.

One of the things that foncuzes me about the religion forum is we can't call each other liars but we certainly can treat each other like liars. It seems a thinly veiled hypocrisy... well actually there's no veil at all, it's blatantly obvious.

We can't "make it personal" soooooooooooooooooo, rather than treat each other like persons we treat each other like objects... like toys, playthings.

One of the lessons I have been trying to teach my children for as long as they can remember is that they must never treat another person like a toy, it degrades everyone involved.

Earlier this evening my 10 year old daughter was holding our miniature dachshund for the zillionth time and I said "Honey, let the dog go" and of course the dog ran for the safety of my feet. I asked my child if she didn't understand that the dog doesn't like to be held. I asked her to consider that every time she releases him he runs away. I pointed out that a year ago he'd run to her and now he runs away. I reminded her that now he snaps at her when she gets in his face when he used to lick her nose.

I very quietly explained to her that she is treating the dog like an object, like a toy. I asked her if she wanted people to treat her like a toy and what she would think of someone who treated her the way she treats the dog... and her sisters... and her brothers.

After she described how bad she would feel I told her that was how the dog thought of her in his doggy way.

Then came the lesson of the night: When we treat the people with whom we interact as means to an end, as unpersons, as grist for the mill, as things, we become exactly that: a thing. We pour our humanity upon the altar of our own self-glorification and we become an empty husk that is barely even self-aware, much less cognizant of the damage we do as we blunder through a pointless existence and eventually slouch towards an impersonal but singular Gomorrah.

Maybe one day she'll get it but I expect tomorrow will find me saying "Honey, just put the dog down. Oh, and stop kicking your sister do you think I'm blind?"

5,799 posted on 09/17/2010 12:20:37 AM PDT by Legatus (Keep calm and carry on)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Legatus; Alex Murphy
these souls enjoy and will eternally enjoy a state of perfect natural happiness

More RC double-speak. The quote you cite doesn't say "heaven," does it? It doesn't say infants will be in the presence of God or see His face.

"Perfect natural happiness." lol. I prefer the supernatural happiness of heaven.

I bet those babies supposedly in Limbo would prefer that, too.

The Catholic Encyclopedia is not official Catholic teaching thus it is unfair for you to attack it. tch tch

Now this is official:

CCC 1261 As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus' tenderness toward children which caused him to say: "Let the children come to me, do not hinder them," allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism. All the more urgent is the Church's call not to prevent little children coming to Christ through the gift of holy Baptism.

Oh wait! The best the Catholic Church can do is hold out "hope" for the salvation of unbaptized children.

Never mind.


5,830 posted on 09/17/2010 9:14:06 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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