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To: Mr Rogers
And if faith was a gift given us by God so we would irresistibly believe, shouldn’t it be mentioned somewhere? At least once? The irresistible gift of faith?

Are some hearts too steely, too hardened for Gods grace to penetrate, that Christ can not enter at HIS will? Was not ALL power on heaven and earth given to Christ?To deny Him this ability then denies Him ALL power on heaven and earth.To say the lost will not allow Him in is to deny His sufficiency.It is a question of His will ..

If The Lord Jesus decreed that He desires all men to be saved, then He must lack the power to His will..

As others have noted the issue at hand is the deity of Christ because a defeated savior can not be God

Remember the words of Christ Jhn 17:9 "I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.

5,218 posted on 09/15/2010 2:34:28 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (Jhn 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word.)
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To: RnMomof7

The question is “Does God limit himself for his purposes?” Obviously none of us can resist God. If he chose to save us irresistibly, he could and would.

But when the Philippian jailer asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”, they didn’t reply, “Nothing! Monergism, Dude!”

Instead they replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” 32And they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house. 33And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their wounds; and he was baptized at once, he and all his family. - Acts 16


5,224 posted on 09/15/2010 2:42:55 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (When the ass brays, don't reply...)
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To: RnMomof7
He must lack the power to His will.

Or has the power and chooses to allow free will. And not manipulate free will to force love. Perhaps the reason is to allow real relations with human beings instead of imaginary ones.

Having power and using power are two different things.

5,225 posted on 09/15/2010 2:42:55 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: RnMomof7
If The Lord Jesus decreed that He desires all men to be saved, then He must lack the power to His will..

I'm not getting into this debate but as I see it, Jesus desired that all men would chose to be saved; accept the free gift of God...

5,293 posted on 09/15/2010 5:08:59 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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