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To: D-fendr
Irresistible grace denies free will. We can reject God's grace.

Irresistible grace says that if God wants a man to be a member of His family, and if God sends the Holy Spirit to convict that man of his sins and give that man new eyes and new ears and a heart of flesh and a renewed mind...if God does all that, it is only logical and definitely Scriptural that that man will be brought to a saving faith in Christ.

Unless you think a man's frP>God determines who is among His family. Not men. Men don't rebirth themselves. It is a supernatural work of the Holy Spirit, accomplished according to the will of God and not men.

The RCC works to keep its members ignorant of this blessed fact. You did not choose God. God choose you and enabled you to come to Him in faith.

4,848 posted on 09/14/2010 7:43:21 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Irresistible grace says that…

Yeah. What I said.

It is a supernatural work of the Holy Spirit, accomplished according to the will of God and not men.

Once again, my foreknowledge is shown to be correct: You remove man and free will completely from the equation.

4,851 posted on 09/14/2010 7:54:17 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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