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To: D-fendr
Can the natural man love God and obey God or do anything God pleasing?

No, since Scripture tells us anything not of faith is sin.

Only the man who has been reborn by the Holy Spirit can repent, obey and believe in Jesus Christ.

And the rebirth from natural man to spiritual man is accomplished by God according to His determinate will, and not because we will it. Read your Bible.

"Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again." -- John 3:5-7

How and why are men born again?

By the Holy Spirit, according to the will and purpose of God.

"For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy." -- Romans 9:15-16


4,733 posted on 09/14/2010 2:24:44 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

We can do nothing without God’s grace.

None of these scripture necessarily result in Calvinism. And if you make them such, you end up with a god quite foreign to Christian love.


4,737 posted on 09/14/2010 2:37:12 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Can the natural man

Calvin's view of "natural man" is perverted.

4,738 posted on 09/14/2010 2:39:45 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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