[Mad Dawg]

Maybe I missed something -- who has argued that logic is adequate to bring us to God? Or that human reason is not fallen and imperfect?

And who argues that logic and reason are the same thing?

Bring that sucker out here!

[maryz]

And who argues that logic and reason are the same thing?

I was carefully avoiding equating them -- I would have said more, but I short-circuited considering whether logic itself (as opposed to man's use of it) could be said to be fallen! I don't think so . . .