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To: D-fendr
Does it matter to his salvation either way according to double predestination?

Does what matter? Your question is poorly stated.

Specifically to your question (Did God know everything that would ever occur in time at the moment of creation?) the answer is yes

Ahhh. Thank you. That wasn't so bad, was it?

Now if God knows today, knew on the day of your birth, has always known since time began, if you would or would not be joining Him in heaven, do you think there is any way you can change God's foreknowledge of that outcome?

Because if God "foreknows" something will occur, it seems to me that in order to be the sovereign Lord of all creation He says He is in Scripture, that whatever that "something" is will most certainly occur according to the omniscience of God.

Now Calvinists believe that God not only foresees the future, but that He ordains the future. But for now, we won't bother with that.

It's enough that you've admitted you believe that "God knows everything that would ever occur in time at the moment of creation."

So when you accuse Calvinists of saying a man's fate is already known to God and therefore set in stone, you are really challenging what you've already said you believe.

4,503 posted on 09/14/2010 12:37:58 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Does what matter?

How many times does it take for an answer? If he joins or leaves the Catholic church, does it matter in his salvation according to double predestination.

Or, try this: According to double predestination is there *anything* he can do to change whether he is saved or doomed from the moment of his birth until the day he dies?

Ahhh. Thank you. That wasn't so bad, was it?

I answered it three times. God is omniscient means "all seeing, all knowing." The set of "everything that would ever occur in time at the moment of creation" is included in "all." Even more is included in "omniscient" than your question. Your question was answered twice before - assuming you know what omniscient means.

f you would or would not be joining Him in heaven, do you think there is any way you can change God's foreknowledge of that outcome?

Foreknowledge is not causal.

it seems to me that in order to be the sovereign Lord of all creation He says He is in Scripture, that whatever that "something" is will most certainly occur according to the omniscience of God.

Irrelevant to double predestination. Knowing is not causing. That's why I said to begin with, it's irrelevant to your point.

Now Calvinists believe that God not only foresees the future, but that He ordains the future. But for now, we won't bother with that.

I don't blame you. That way you head down the road towards the cruel, unmerciful, unjust god of Calvin.

So when you accuse Calvinists of saying a man's fate is already known to God and therefore set in stone, you are really challenging what you've already said you believe.

Horsehockey. Again a non sequitur from omniscience to double predestination.

4,505 posted on 09/14/2010 12:48:32 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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