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To: narses; Mr Rogers; Forest Keeper
Mr Rogers and Forest Keeper were two people the first precept of whose spiritual practice and thought was not "IF a Catholic does the exact same thing a non-Protestant does, he's doing it wrong."

One could explore things with them and they asked real posers, and asked them not to 'pose' but to learn.

The Dogs of Geneva made things unpleasant for one of them and the other, not having any skin in the game our other separated brethren want to play, seems to have drifted away.

4,415 posted on 09/13/2010 8:01:24 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg
The Dogs of Geneva

Your calls for civility are obviously hypocritical.

4,420 posted on 09/13/2010 8:11:29 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Mad Dawg; narses; Forest Keeper

I rarely participate in religious threads anymore. If I see some new posters, I MIGHT jump in...but many of the threads involve largely the same folks I discussed things with last year.

To the extent that they involve folks with honest questions, and or a sincere desire to follow God where He leads, they are valuable. Catholics and Baptists are free to have serious disagreements, provided they understand that God will bring us to Him in His way & His timing. But too many of the threads left me feeling dirty...they were appealing to my flesh, my pride, my vanity - and I suspect we all can agree we have too many appeals like that without finding more on the Internet!

If you know you are a sinner who can only be saved by God’s grace thru the sacrifice of Jesus, then you are my brother or sister in Christ. And you are HIS servant, not mine. I can & should share with you, pray for you, seek to encourage you - but never to try to impose my human will on you. When we disagree about the Eucharist, I need to remember that I may be the one in the wrong, too immature to handle the truth.

I guess I would rather join you in prayer than debate something we have already covered. I truly believe that on that Day, we will all shed tears for our many errors and understand the words of Job:

“I had heard of you by the hearing of the ear,
but now my eye sees you;
therefore I despise myself,
and repent in dust and ashes.” - Job 42.5-6 ESV

And then our Lord will wipe those tears, and welcome us home, and when we meet in heaven we won’t even remember what we had once argued about.

It will be like what J Vernon McGhee wrote about predestination & free will:

“Election and free will happen to be one of those...There is a theological argument that rages today on election or free will. There are some people who put all their eggs in the basket of election. There are others who put all their eggs in the basket of free will. I’m not proposing to reconcile the two because I have discovered that I cannot. If you had met me the year that I entered seminary, or the year I graduated, I could have reconciled them for you. I never have been as smart as I was my first year and my last year in seminary. I knew it all then. I could reconcile election and free will, and it was a marvelous explanation. Now I’ve even forgotten what it was. It was pretty silly, if you want to know the truth...”


4,433 posted on 09/13/2010 8:24:33 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (When the ass brays, don't reply...)
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