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To: stfassisi
God did not pause at Adam and eve and than create everyone else differently

Once again Rome illustrates it has no understanding of the Fall of Adam.

Adam and Eve had a certain amount of free will. They choose poorly.

Because of their error, all men, by nature, are fallen and cannot know the things of God, cannot repent and believe, cannot love Christ, unless and until God regenerates their stone hearts, renews their minds and gives them new eyes and new ears.

That means that men by free will become evil since God from created all things good

You really need to read the book by Augustine you referenced. Augustine disagrees with you. As Augustine writes, God has decided it is “better to bring good out of evil, than not to permit any evil to exist.”

All things work according to His will, for His glory.

4,407 posted on 09/13/2010 7:48:37 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: stfassisi
Hey stfassisi!

Congratulations on being Rome!

(?)

4,413 posted on 09/13/2010 7:56:27 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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Calvinism 101: God is the author of sin. Man is not responsible for his actions.


4,442 posted on 09/13/2010 9:04:49 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
God has decided it is “better to bring good out of evil, than not to permit any evil to exist.

There you go again

By saying this you have made God into a monster who DECIDES on creating evil.

How does God decide anyway since He knows the outcome?Is He NOT sure in the first place and needs to make a decision because He does not understand Himself ,thus making Him not ALL knowing?

If God created evil than evil is part of the essence of God.Thus,by this belief Christ has evil in Him as part of His essence since the second person of the Trinity is God incarnate.

Horrific! Don't you even see the error in all this!

Augustine writes, God has decided it is “better to bring good out of evil, than not to permit any evil to exist

Augustine says there God creates every being GOOD and there is no evil in anything God creates

From Augustine...

Thus there can be no evil where there is no good. This leads us to a surprising conclusion: that, since every being, in so far as it is a being, is good, if we then say that a defective thing is bad, it would seem to mean that we are saying that what is evil is good, that only what is good is ever evil and that there is no evil apart from something good. Therefore, if anyone says that simply to be a man is evil... he rightly falls under the prophetic judgment: woe to him who calls evil good and good evil. For this amounts to finding fault with God's work, because man is an entity of God's creation."

4,446 posted on 09/13/2010 9:31:34 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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