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To: Dr. Eckleburg; NYer; Salvation; Pyro7480; Coleus; narses; annalex; Campion; don-o; Mrs. Don-o; ...
The Roman Catholic church only considers a person to have "formally left" the Roman Catholic church when that person writes a letter to his bishop advising Rome of that fact.

I've asked dozens of ex-Roman Catholics and many other ex-RCs on Free Republic if they've done that and they just laughed.

So, you think the word of "dozens" of people who claim to have been Catholic on the internet is sufficient data to draw statistical conclusions? I have serious doubts about the claims of nearly all of the self-professed former Catholics on Free Republic.

And we can't forget we have the testimony of Roman Catholics like Salvation who have repeatedly told us that "once baptized a (Roman) Catholic, always a (Roman) Catholic."

Please give a link to a post of Salvation's, I would like to see the context.

DR. E: So not only have you broken the rules by falsely saying I believe myself to be "omniscient," but you now imply I think I know your heart.

WAGGLEBEE: Actually, I've said nothing of the sort

To which you responded:
Do RCs think we forget some of these personally slanderous posts by RCs which repeatedly break the FR RF rules? I realize RCs don't trust the written word, but thankfully, it remains to reveal the errors of RC apologists.

What's most illustrative here is the manner in which you only posted a PORTION OF A SENTENCE, here is what I actually said:

Actually, I've said nothing of the sort, I pointed out a general understanding, I'm not responsible for any inferences you may draw from it.

Once the rest of the sentence is posted, your attempt to accuse me of breaking rules is meanless.

As an aside, and I've pointed this out before, if you are going to use legal terms such as slander you should really spend some time to learn what they mean. Incorrectly using terms tends to make people look foolish.

Thank you for the fine illustration of the veracity of those who follow another gospel taught by "another Christ."

If I thought for a moment that you were actually interested in what the term "alter Christus" meant, I would address it. Suffice it to say that Saint Paul clearly understood what ordination really involved and the YOPIOS crowd never will:

And to whom you have pardoned any thing, I also. For, what I have pardoned, if I have pardoned any thing, for your sakes have I done it in the person of Christ. (2 Corinthians 2:10)

4,248 posted on 09/13/2010 12:44:09 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee; Dr. Eckleburg
that would be the "presence" of Christ, the Greek word meaning person, implying presence. Paul did not become Christ. The whole passage is concerning church discipline and of which Christ is the head of the church. Paul considered himself as acting under the authority of Christ, not being Christ. Paul was not the head of the church.
4,264 posted on 09/13/2010 1:02:26 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: wagglebee; Dr. Eckleburg; Salvation

dr. e: ‘And we can’t forget we have the testimony of Roman Catholics like Salvation who have repeatedly told us that “once baptized a (Roman) Catholic, always a (Roman) Catholic.”’

w: “Please give a link to a post of Salvation’s, I would like to see the context.”

Ask and you shall receive.....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2565303/posts?page=54#54

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2554678/posts?page=36#36

Salvation: “I hate to break this to you, but those people whom you think left the Catholic Church are really still Catholics — although they may not be practicing the faith at this time. When they were baptized a Catholic it was for life. They join famous people like Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck — also non=practicing Catholics.

There are three Sacraments that mark a Catholics soul. Baptism, Confirmation and Holy Orders. Those marks are still there no matter what they or you think about it. They are still Catholics!”


4,323 posted on 09/13/2010 2:20:48 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: wagglebee; 1000 silverlings; metmom; OLD REGGIE; Quix; wmfights
You very clearly broke the rules of FR when you said to me...

"...a person such as yourself who claims omniscience..."

Try to squirm out of it all you want. I have never "claimed omniscience" which is a false statement on your part.

Please give a link to a post of Salvation's, I would like to see the context.

lol. Ah, yes, the ever-squishy "context." Well, in context, outside of context, above or below context, Salvation has made the statement many times. Here is just one example...

SALVATION'S POST ABOUT
"ONCE A CATHOLIC, ALWAYS A CATHOLIC."

SALVATION: "You are always a Catholics, once you are baptized a Catholic. You can come back to the church at any time."

As I said, perhaps one or both of you were "poorly catechized."

If I thought for a moment that you were actually interested in what the term "alter Christus" meant, I would address it.

Thanks for the thought but we have already learned what the blasphemous term, "alter Christus," means from Father Kenneth Baker.

The lie doesn't smell any sweeter coming from a priest.

Christians are called to become Christ-like; we do not become Christ. Christ is sufficient unto Himself for all that He accomplished on behalf of His sheep. One Shepherd. One flock. One salvation.

4,326 posted on 09/13/2010 2:33:55 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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