Absurd hardly describes it.
I find it ludicrous that so many FRoman Catholics posting on FR who have made no claim to any advanced, seminary type training by and in the Catholic church would sit in judgment on their very own Catholic seminary educated priests and accuse THEM of also being *poorly catechized*.
For the record to all the Catholics, that term and accusation has been bandied about so much with so little provocation, that it has lost virtually all it's effectiveness. It has degenerated into a meaningless, knee jerk, one answer fits all response to anything that doesn't fit with the FRoman Catholics idea of what the Catholic church SHOULD be like, not even what in the real world, it IS like.
A newsflash for Catholics. What you want the Catholic church to represent and what you want the Catholic church to mean and what you want Catholics to believe is a fantasy fairy land compared to reality.
It is simply not what is occurring in the real world and when we point this out, we're mocked, ridiculed, derided, told we're poorly catechized, we're called *haters*, heretics, and anything else a warm, loving, charitable, Christlike, Catholic response can generate.
Goodness, there are even Catholics on this forum who recognize the problems within the Catholic church and acknowledge that what much of what the non-Catholics are saying and observing is true, and yet they're accepted and not given a dose of the same kind of Catholic *charity* the rest of us receive.
By the admission of some of the more reasonable Catholics on this forum, the Catholic church is in a world of hurt. It's priesthood is infiltrated with pedophiles, its leadership isn't appropriately dealing with it, its membership is voting highly liberal, Catholics can't even trust their own Catholic schools to give their kids a proper Catholic education, and yet they'll defend their church to the death. Admirable loyalty and devotion, but sadly misplaced at this point in time.
“...accusation has been bandied about...”
There are numerous accusations in this post alone and they weren’t coming from a (”FR”) Roman Catholic.
Christianity as a whole is fading in this world and grave sins have effected the protestant communities as well.
There are people who call themselves Christain's and act nothing like a Christian most of the time-so when I say Christianity is fading this is what I mean.
We(Catholics) defend dogmatic and infallible teaching on Faith and Morals that we believe comes from Christ. We do not or should not defend those who call themselves Catholic and reject these teachings ,especially when they know what the Church teaches and ignore it and do otherwise and teach otherwise.
Catholic's that are ignorant need to be corrected when they are shown they are in error.
So, when we defend the Church til death(as you say) We defend the teachings that come to us from Christ.
You obviously have decided to leave the Church and not believe this, but protestantism has not changed the world from slipping away and has infinite ideas of what Christianity actually IS in matters of faith and morals so it is divisive even with itself and pluralistic on faith and morals.It's read this book(The Bible with many versions that don't match in translations) and figure it out on your own, and once you think you know this book you can start your own church or even become your own personal church- the Church of self knowledge
Even the founder of protestantism(Luther) recognized this once he realized the mistake he made
A few quotes from Luther...
"This one will not hear of Baptism, and that one denies the sacrament, another puts a world between this and the last day: some teach that Christ is not God, some say this, some say that: there are as many sects and creeds as there are heads. No yokel is so rude but when he has dreams and fancies, he thinks himself inspired by the Holy Ghost and must be a prophet" De Wette III, 61. quoted in O'Hare, THE FACTS ABOUT LUTHER, 208.
"We concede -- as we must -- that so much of what they [the Catholic Church] say is true: that the papacy has God's word and the office of the apostles, and that we have received Holy Scriptures, Baptism, the Sacrament, and the pulpit from them. What would we know of these if it were not for them?" Sermon on the gospel of St. John, chaps. 14 - 16 (1537), in vol. 24 of LUTHER'S WORKS, St. Louis, Mo.: Concordia, 1961, 304.
I 'm sure happy I stopped being protestant!
Absurd hardly describes it.
I find it ludicrous that so many FRoman Catholics posting on FR who have made no claim to any advanced, seminary type training by and in the Catholic church would sit in judgment on their very own Catholic seminary educated priests and accuse THEM of also being *poorly catechized*.
For the record to all the Catholics, that term and accusation has been bandied about so much with so little provocation, that it has lost virtually all it’s effectiveness. It has degenerated into a meaningless, knee jerk, one answer fits all response to anything that doesn’t fit with the FRoman Catholics idea of what the Catholic church SHOULD be like, not even what in the real world, it IS like.
A newsflash for Catholics. What you want the Catholic church to represent and what you want the Catholic church to mean and what you want Catholics to believe is a fantasy fairy land compared to reality.
It is simply not what is occurring in the real world and when we point this out, we’re mocked, ridiculed, derided, told we’re poorly catechized, we’re called *haters*, heretics, and anything else a warm, loving, charitable, Christlike, Catholic response can generate.
Goodness, there are even Catholics on this forum who recognize the problems within the Catholic church and acknowledge that what much of what the non-Catholics are saying and observing is true, and yet they’re accepted and not given a dose of the same kind of Catholic *charity* the rest of us receive.
By the admission of some of the more reasonable Catholics on this forum, the Catholic church is in a world of hurt. It’s priesthood is infiltrated with pedophiles, its leadership isn’t appropriately dealing with it, its membership is voting highly liberal, Catholics can’t even trust their own Catholic schools to give their kids a proper Catholic education, and yet they’ll defend their church to the death. Admirable loyalty and devotion, but sadly misplaced at this point in time.
EXCELLENT TO THE MAX.
You made several false assertions, and claimed your experience as a Catholic as authority for those statements. YOU brought up, in essence, your catechesis (or lack thereof) as authority.
The statements were false. The authority was "incompetent", by definition it seems, to establish them.
The poor catechesis is not a criticism of you personally; it is a criticism of the authority you claimed. That's all.