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To: Mad Dawg; maryz
Shuck and Jive.

The protestant poet called Elizabeth, “O Goddesse.”

It seems to me that the shocked outrage at excesses aimed at a greater queen than barren Elizabeth is emptied of all its power.

It’s just another instance of, “It’s wrong when catholics do it, but okay when non-Catholics do it.”

I’m not interested in that game any more. We won and your side will never acknowledge it in a thousand years. I’ll stick to scholastic musings and explanations. I’m really not much interested in idle fencing.

I'm really surprised at the shallowness of your "we won" rant.

An obscure poet is all you can find to compare with the obsessive "veneration" of Mary by your entire Church.

It is probably better you stick with your scholastic musings and away from substantial discussion.

3,882 posted on 09/11/2010 4:58:33 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: OLD REGGIE
An obscure poet

"Obscure"???? Edmund Spenser is acknowledged to be one of the four greats of English literature, along with Chaucer, Shakespeare and Milton (though less popularly known). That particular passage is from the Dedication of The Faerie Queene, his greatest work. There's lots more of the same out there, plenty by obscure poets and plenty by not so obscure. Feel free to seek them out!

3,884 posted on 09/11/2010 5:11:42 PM PDT by maryz
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To: OLD REGGIE
I'm really surprised at the shallowness of your "we won" rant.

Was I long enough to qualify as a rant?

As for "shallow" it might be too early for your side to declare victory.

An obscure poet is all you can find to compare with the obsessive "veneration" of Mary by your entire Church.

He can scarcely be obscure enough to suit me, if that's his best "worke."

"Obsession"? My ENTIRE Church?

It seems to me the issue up 'til now was not how many were saying a thing, but what was the nature of the thing being said? Obscure pamphlets are not excused by their obscurity. But now, suddenly it's an election, one where the side with the greatest number of votes loses, a sort of force mineure?

It is probably better you stick with your scholastic musings and away from substantial discussion.

Was the pun intended or inadvertent? In either case, you went to the number of people saying a thing, a great mass of people, while I went to the quiddity of the thing being said. So I think my conversation is both substantial and scholastic. The charge has never been that many of us said a thing, but that the thing being said was wrong. Now it seems it is wrong when we say it, but less so when one of the others says it.

3,887 posted on 09/11/2010 5:31:09 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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