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To: Mad Dawg But there certainly are a lot of excessive statements about Mary from some Catholics.

You mean like this?

And with them eke, O Goddesse heavenly bright,
Mirrour of grace and Majestie divine,
Great Lady of the greatest Isle, whose light
Like Phoebus lampe throughout the world doth shine,
Shed thy faire beames into my feeble eyne,
And raise my thoughts, too humble and too vile,
To thinke of that true glorious type of thine,
The argument of mine afflicted stile:
The which to heare, vouchsafe, O dearest dred [object of reverence], a-while.

Oh, wait -- that's by a Protestant to Queen Elizabeth I!

Actually, more like this:

Pope Paul VI,
From the time that we were called to the Chair of St. Peter, we have constantly worked to increase the worship of Mary (culto mariano) [per il retto ordinamento e sviluppo del culto della beata Vergine Maria - esortazione apostolica di Sua Santita Paolo VII, Page 2]

The whole Trinity, O Mary, gave thee a name...above every name, that at Thy name, every knee should bow, of things in heaven, on earth, and under the earth. (The Glories of Mary by Bishop Alphonse de Ligouri (Brooklyn: Redemptorist Fathers, p. 260).

The Holy Church commands a worship peculiar to Mary (The Glories of Mary by Bishop Alphonse de Ligouri p. 130).

Many things...are asked from God, and are not granted; they are asked from Mary, and are obtained, for She...is even Queen of Hell, and Sovereign Mistress of the Devils. (The Glories of Mary by Bishop Alphonse de Ligouri (Brooklyn: Redemptorist Fathers, 1931). pp. 127, 141, 143).

Mary is the co-redeemer, for she participated with Christ in the painful act of redemption. (Catechism of the Catholic Church, 618, 964, 968, 970)

All power is given to thee in Heaven and on earth, so that at the command of Mary all obey-even God...and thus...God has placed the whole Church...under the dominion of Mary (pp. 180-181).

Mary is also the Advocate of the whole human race...for she can do what she wills with God (The Glories of Mary by Bishop Alphonse de Ligouri (Brooklyn: Redemptorist Fathers, p. 193).

The Glories of Mary: Mary is called the gate of heaven, because no one can enter that blessed kingdom without passing by her (p.134)

And shall we scruple to ask her to save us, when 'the way of salvation is open to none otherwise than thru Mary.' (p.143)

He who is protected by Mary will be saved; he who is not will be lost. (p.144)

The Glories of Mary: All power is given to thee in heaven and on earth, and nothing is impossible to thee, who canst raise those who are in despair to the hope of salvation. (p.154)

TREATISE ON TRUE DEVOTION TO THE BLESSED VIRGIN - St. Louis de Montfort

Shuck and Jive.

The protestant poet called Elizabeth, “O Goddesse.”

It seems to me that the shocked outrage at excesses aimed at a greater queen than barren Elizabeth is emptied of all its power.

It’s just another instance of, “It’s wrong when catholics do it, but okay when non-Catholics do it.”

I’m not interested in that game any more. We won and your side will never acknowledge it in a thousand years. I’ll stick to scholastic musings and explanations. I’m really not much interested in idle fencing.