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To: Forest Keeper
As in other alleged contras, there is none, and Paul is certainly not speaking of Jesus coming into existence after Adam, which constrained heretical view is contrary to what the Bible teaches, rather the context is unmistakably that of resurrection, and what Jesus then became.

First, it is interesting to see that Jesus "was made" (which term is not in the Greek in 1Cor. 15:45b, but is rightly supplied, and is often translated "become/became") a lot of things.

Jesus preexisted with the Father, (Mic. 5:2; Ps. 90:2) through whom He made the worlds, Heb. 1:2) and all things, (Col. 1:16) who prepared for Him a body, for "when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me," (Hebrews 10:5) and thus "the Word was made flesh," (Jn. 1:14) In John, Jesus inference of an ontological oneness with the Father is protested by the Jews. (Jn. 5:18; 19:7)

Paul, who "was made a minister," (Eph. 3:7) states that in His incarnation, Jesus positionally "made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men," (Phil. 2:7); as He "was made of the seed of David according to the flesh," Rm. 1:3) and Hebrews likewise states that Jesus "was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death," (Heb. 2:9) resulting in men having "crucified the Lord of glory." (1Cor. 2:8)

And having died and rose, Jesus was functionally made "both Lord and Christ," (Acts 2:36) and thus "is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption," (1Cor. 1:30) and was also "made a surety of a better testament." (Heb. 7:22)

As a result of His death and resurrection, and with the latter being the context here, Jesus functionally became a life-giving spirit, as by faith in Him believers have life, not only eternal life but regeneration of the Spirit, (Eph. 2:1,5) who was not poured out upon all believers (Acts 2:17,18) until Jesus resurrection, (Jn. 7:39; 14:26) for "God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him." (1Jn. 4:9)

As far as being is concerned, as Jesus had to take on flesh, He essentially was/is spirit, as God the Father is, (Jn. 4:24) and after His resurrection appeared in a glorified, incorruptible physical body, not simply as a spirit, which could materialize at will yet eat food (Lk. 24:36-43) and which type of body believers will have, (1Cor. 15:49; 1Jn. 3:2) as "in Christ shall all be made alive" (1Cor. 15:22; and which is termed a spiritual body. (1Cor. 15:44,46)

To God be the glory, and "as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him," (1Cor. 2:9) even the “spirits of just men made perfect.” (Heb. 12:13) And less than Jacob, “I am not worthy of the least of all the mercies, and of all the truth, which” He hast shewed unto me

15,817 posted on 11/19/2010 6:25:37 AM PST by daniel1212 ( ("Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out," Acts 3:19))
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To: daniel1212
As a result of His death and resurrection, and with the latter being the context here, Jesus functionally became a life-giving spirit, as by faith in Him believers have life, not only eternal life but regeneration of the Spirit, (Eph. 2:1,5) who was not poured out upon all believers (Acts 2:17,18) until Jesus resurrection, (Jn. 7:39; 14:26) for "God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him." (1Jn. 4:9)

Amen, and thanks for noting with great scriptural evidence the significance of the resurrection as support for the timing issue. His "becoming" is tied to His resurrection, NOT to His coming into existence. I really have to hand it to you for so many verse links. That's great. I don't know how you do it. :)

As far as being is concerned, as Jesus had to take on flesh, He essentially was/is spirit, as God the Father is, (Jn. 4:24) and after His resurrection appeared in a glorified, incorruptible physical body, not simply as a spirit, which could materialize at will yet eat food (Lk. 24:36-43) and which type of body believers will have, (1Cor. 15:49; 1Jn. 3:2) as "in Christ shall all be made alive" (1Cor. 15:22; and which is termed a spiritual body. (1Cor. 15:44,46)

Good point. There's another dagger in the "Paul thought Christ was created" argument. Paul obviously knew all the intricacies involved here. We learned many of them FROM him. :)

Also, thank you so much for the table on the uses of "ginomai". That's quite a list.

15,823 posted on 11/20/2010 1:05:42 PM PST by Forest Keeper ((It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.))
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