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To: Kolokotronis
Ecumenical Councils can and have declared infallibly Christian dogma.

Based on WHAT

We believe this because we do not believe that the Holy Spirit, given to The Church at Pentecost, will allow the Body of The Church to fall into error.

Paul did not believe that, He warned against error and false teachers entering the church

2Cr 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or [if] ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with [him].

2Cr 11:13 For such [are] false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore [it is] no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Neither did Peter

2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

John did not believe that

1Jo 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Jude was very clear in his warning

Jud 1:3 ¶ Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort [you] that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. Jud 1:5 ¶ I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. 8 Likewise also these [filthy] dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.Jesus warned us

Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

The EO may claim they do not have an infallible man ...but the men of those councils are credited with infallibility IF THEY HAVE NO FINAL INFALLIBLE MEASURING ROD for that doctrine.. it is nothing more than the doctrine of men

15,733 posted on 11/11/2010 4:53:45 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: RnMomof7
Ecumenical Councils can and have declared infallibly Christian dogma.

Based on WHAT

Funny how that works. First they declare THEMSELVES infallible. Then they declare their beliefs infallible.

Who can argue with such a fallible-proof system...

15,734 posted on 11/11/2010 4:58:52 PM PST by smvoice (Defending the Indefensible: The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: RnMomof7
"Paul did not believe that,

Neither did Peter

John did not believe that"

But R, the men who decided for you and all Christians that Paul and Peter and John and Jude, and Matthew and Mark and Luke for that matter, were worthy of belief believed exactly that.

15,736 posted on 11/11/2010 6:28:01 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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