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To: kosta50; stfassisi; D-fendr; Kolokotronis

“I was just curious to see what evidence you had that Isaiah was about Jesus and your evidence is the New Testament, specifically Luke, not Isaiah”

As I said, it looks like Zechariah 3:8 testifies that the Branch, the Messiah, is God’s servant. “Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the BRANCH.” Both Isaiah and Jeremiah identify the “Branch” as a descendant of Jesse. Isaiah identifies the Branch as Jesus, 11:1-2 “And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD.”

Jer 23:5 “Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.” Jer 33:15 “In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land.”

No where in the scriptures is Israel mentioned as the “Branch”; only the Messiah.

Israel has not had a king of the lineage of Jesse since the time of the exile during Jeremiah’s prophetic life. Jesus has been identified as the descendant of Jesse who will be king.

Further, Jesus quotes this Isaiah passage as identifying himself as the servant; In Matthew 12:18-21, “ Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles. He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets. A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory. And in his name shall the Gentiles trust.”

This is a quote from an eye witness to the testimony of Jesus.


15,729 posted on 11/11/2010 12:21:44 PM PST by blue-duncan
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To: blue-duncan; kosta50; stfassisi; D-fendr

“As I said, it looks like Zechariah 3:8 testifies that the Branch, the Messiah, is God’s servant. “Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the BRANCH.” Both Isaiah and Jeremiah identify the “Branch” as a descendant of Jesse. Isaiah identifies the Branch as Jesus, 11:1-2 “And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD.””

Good one, b-d. The Syrian Orthodox (who are non Chalcedonians) interpret Zechariah in the same way.


15,732 posted on 11/11/2010 2:16:26 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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To: blue-duncan; stfassisi; D-fendr; Kolokotronis
As I said, it looks like Zechariah 3:8 testifies that the Branch, the Messiah, is God’s servant.

The Jews don't dispute that Zechariah and Isaiah hints at a (king) messiah (remember rabbinic Judaism that survived is the Pharisaical Judaims of Jesus' times, and they were messianic/apocalyptic believers in a messiah; they just think it was him!  And your evidence does not prove that it is Jesus without reaching for the New Testament! What kind of a "proof" is that, and how can anyone blame the Jews, given that they didn't have the NT!?

15,739 posted on 11/11/2010 8:04:25 PM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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