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To: kosta50
You misunderstand Paul.

I can say "I breath" but that does not imply that I am not continuing to breath AFTER I make that statement.

Men are sanctified by the Holy Spirit, and that sanctification continues throughout a lifetime.

Justification is a one-time event where Christ on the cross paid for all the sins of His flock.

Sanctification is the work of the indwelling Holy Spirit whereby He works to align us with God's will and Christ's righteousness all the days of our life.

"Read your Bible and pray for ears to hear"

Hear what?

The truth found in God's word.

"But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand." -- John 10:26-29


15,449 posted on 11/02/2010 12:55:20 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; D-fendr
You misunderstand Paul.

I think you do. 

I can say "I breath" but that does not imply that I am not continuing to breath AFTER I make that statement.

Look, I don't play games. Being sanctified (made holy, Gr. hagiazo to make holy, sanctify, from hagio or holy) is an accomplished act. Either you are "holy" or you are not. You can't be holy a "little bit." You seem to be advocating different "stages" of holiness. What makes one "more" holy than another? Just how many levels of holiness are there? It's all nonsense and it's nowhere to be found in scriptures.

Men are sanctified by the Holy Spirit, and that sanctification continues throughout a lifetime.

Where does it say so in the Bible? I am asking in order to figure out where this doctrine comes from. If I understand "sanctified" correctly, it means being set aside for God. Many an individual is called 'holy" in the Bible, yet they are not perfect. The only thing that had to be perfect was the sacrificial animal, and the animal is never called "holy." Also, Matthew (23:17) says that the temple "sanctified" the gold! How can inanimate objects be "holy?" According to Paul, even an unbeliever, married to a believer, is made holy! (1 Cor 7:14).

"Read your Bible and pray for ears to hear" The truth found in God's word. John 10:26-29...

Obviously reading has nothing to do with it, for even your own select quotes say that only those who have been given him by the Father are his. It is a given and not something we have to "work" for. In other words, as D-fendr likes to say "if you have been born lucky."

15,460 posted on 11/02/2010 11:50:21 PM PDT by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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