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To: kosta50
Then who was expecting the ransom?

Not an angry God for sure.

May I offer something to this conversation? Satan was expecting the ransom.

"Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that THROUGH DEATH HE MIGHT DESTROY HIM THE HAD THE POWER OF DEATH, THAT IS, THE DEVIL." Heb. 2:14.

Satan's rights are recognized in Scripture..He is the god and prince of the world who had the power of death and hell before his defeat by atonement.

We all know that the wages of sin is death, and sin is the failure to keep the law. Satan kept mankind sentenced to death, as no one could fulfill the law perfectly. Until Jesus Christ. Yet Christ's death on the cross was Satan's finest hour. He did not know the reason that Christ had to die. Why?

"But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory; Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would NOT HAVE CRUCIFIED THE LORD OF GLORY." 1 Cor. 2:7,8.

Had Satan realized that the death of Christ would pay our ransom, he would have never conspired to have Christ killed. So the question is, how do we know the blood of Christ paid our ransom in full?

"Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in ONCE into the holy place, having obtained ETERNAL REDEMPTION FOR US." Heb. 9:12.

The fact that God the Father raised Jesus Christ from the dead tells us that the ransom was paid in full. If there had been a single sin not paid for at Calvary, God in his justice, could NOT have raised Him. The empty tomb says it all.

15,402 posted on 11/01/2010 6:23:58 PM PDT by smvoice (Defending the Indefensible: The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: smvoice

Preach it.....


15,404 posted on 11/01/2010 6:39:29 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: smvoice; MarkBsnr; Kolokotronis
May I offer something to this conversation? Satan was expecting the ransom....Heb 2:14

Well, he didn't render the devil powerless because that would make the whole book of revelation pointless, right? Why do you think the east and West feuded so long over the Books of Hebrews and Revelation?

The Eastern Church never specifically says that Christ offered himself to the devil, or that he destoryed the devil; only the stingof death, which Paul defines as "sin." He also does not define the power of sin as being satan but the law! (1 Cor 15:56)

Had Satan realized that the death of Christ would pay our ransom, he would have never conspired to have Christ killed. So the question is, how do we know the blood of Christ paid our ransom in full?

But he didn't pay the ransom, for once death released mankind it realized it could not hold Christ (because he is God) and was rendered powerless. Death got cheated, not paid.

The fact that God the Father raised Jesus Christ from the dead tells us that the ransom was paid in full.

If God the Father had to raise Jesus from the dead, then Jesus was no God. The Church corrects Paul in the Creed where it says that Christ "rose on the third day" not that he was "raised on the third day".

15,412 posted on 11/01/2010 8:23:50 PM PDT by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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