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To: kosta50; RnMomof7; Forest Keeper; Dr. Eckleburg; Dutchboy88; boatbums; metmom; caww

> “After all, what else can holy be but holy?”

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Your big problem here, beside your lack of spiritual eyes and ears is that you do not understand “Holy.”

Holy means set apart from the world.

All of God’s elect are made Holy when they are justified. This is both an instantaneous and an on going thing. We are set apart at the instant of justification, and we continue to be set apart until either we die, or the Lord returns.

We understand your confusion, and would love to help you, but that is the Father’s task, not ours.

And no, you cannot pray effectively to the Father, because you do not have the authority granted by the Son yet.
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15,397 posted on 11/01/2010 5:38:00 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: editor-surveyor; kosta50
Your big problem here, beside your lack of spiritual eyes and ears is that you do not understand “Holy.”

Holy means set apart from the world.

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And no, you cannot pray effectively to the Father, because you do not have the authority granted by the Son yet.

E-S, I must say that it is not often that the mouthpiece of God speaks to us directly from Him. May I ask if He has gotten past emailing and is now texting?

Kosta, I do think that we have a severe case of 2 Peter 2 on our hands. Verse 19 is most applicable here, wouldn't you say?

15,401 posted on 11/01/2010 6:00:18 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: editor-surveyor; kosta50; RnMomof7; Forest Keeper; wmfights; HarleyD; Dutchboy88; boatbums; ...
Holy means set apart from the world.

All of God’s elect are made Holy when they are justified. This is both an instantaneous and an on going thing. We are set apart at the instant of justification, and we continue to be set apart until either we die, or the Lord returns.

AMEN.

Here's a great little essay on this very topic...

PIETISTIC VS. BIBLICAL SANCTIFICATION

"...In his letter to the Galatians Paul asks Christians who were in danger of thinking they could add to Christ's work or make themselves acceptable by some other way, "Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?" (Gal 3:3) No, this is folly, because what God still wants from us as Christians is a broken Spirit, one which still recognizes its own moral and spiritual inability and complete need of God's grace to move on. One that says, "have mercy on me, I am insufficient for the task." Anyone who thinks, therefore, that they can approach the Lord's table with a pure undefiled heart are really missing the point of the gospel...

We think this way because the covenant of works is etched on our conscience since creation. It is unnatural to think that someone else has accomplished our standing before God and it still offends our pride, even as Christians. But I believe the Scriptures affirm that the more we grow in grace, the more we despair of ourselves and recognize our need for Jesus Christ. At the time of salvation the Holy Spirit made us lose all self-confidence so we might trust in Christ alone. So I would argue that the first principle of our growth in grace is likewise, to dispair of all hope in self and, as Paul said, to have "no confidence in the flesh"...

Our sanctification is a fruit of the Spirit as we lose ourselves in the wonder of Christ and His work for us. We can never separate the spiritual benefit of sanctification from Christ Himself, the Benefactor. So true Christianity is not a religion about focusing on our own spirituality but rather a focus on our union with Christ, apart from whom, the Scriptures declare, we can do nothing. The degree that we focus on our own spirituality and spiritual ability to please God is the degree that we exhaust ourselves by trying to draw from our own natural resources....

As Christians, God indeed gives us demands to obey His law, but He works through us via the gospel to sanctify us that we might love His Law. If one reads the Sermon on the Mount we recognize that the law's demands on all of us are more difficult than imagined, not less than the Old Testament. But as a result, many think that we begin in the Spirit and are perfected by the flesh, as if the Law could give us the power to sanctify ourselves. Our sanctification, rather, is no more grounded on our ability than justification. The law commands us to live a certain way, but does not give us the power to do it. The fault is not with the law but with us. But thanks be to God, this obedience that is required of us by the Law has already been rendered by Christ. Because of what Christ has accomplished, the Spirit now works in us the life that the Law was unable to accomplish...


15,403 posted on 11/01/2010 6:33:21 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: editor-surveyor

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.


15,431 posted on 11/02/2010 6:47:09 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: editor-surveyor
We understand your confusion, and would love to help you, but that is the Father’s task, not ours.

Amen

15,502 posted on 11/03/2010 11:16:43 AM PDT by RnMomof7 (Some call me harpy..God calls me His)
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