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To: MarkBsnr
He took the sins of the world on Himself, even though He was sinless

The Bible says no one can take the sins of another. It doesn't say no one can die for the sins of another.

Surely the sacrificial lamb is not guilty, but that same innocent animal is killed for the sins of a man.

The reason the Bible is adamant that no one can take your sins is because that would make them guilty of something they did not commit, which is not possible. How can a lamb be "guilty" of your sins?!?

A very good question. I think it has more to do with the aloneness of Jesus at that moment and the awful exercise of free choice in choosing life - or death - which is upon every man and which Jesus took upon Himself.

Why was he "alone?" If you are in communion with God, you are with him no matter what, especially if your faith is perfect as Jesus' is believed to be. The "aloness" comes when sin separates you from God's presence, when you feel the Spirit "left." You can't tell me that a man of perfect faith, such as Jesus is known in his humanity, would feel that God had forsaken him unless his faith failed at the last moment.

15,247 posted on 10/29/2010 9:12:50 AM PDT by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: kosta50
The reason the Bible is adamant that no one can take your sins is because that would make them guilty of something they did not commit, which is not possible. How can a lamb be "guilty" of your sins?!?

That's the point - the One who is sinless took all the sins of humanity upon Himself.

Why was he "alone?" If you are in communion with God, you are with him no matter what, especially if your faith is perfect as Jesus' is believed to be. The "aloness" comes when sin separates you from God's presence, when you feel the Spirit "left." You can't tell me that a man of perfect faith, such as Jesus is known in his humanity, would feel that God had forsaken him unless his faith failed at the last moment.

An interesting argument. Yet, the Mother Teresa types and the OT prophets who were as sinless as men could be (obviously not sinless, but more than such as you and I) often wrote about a gulf between God and themselves, even though their faith was, at least as described, still strong. Did Jesus in His humanity, feel a sundering, if only momentarily at that awful moment? I surely don't know.

15,333 posted on 10/30/2010 6:28:05 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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