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To: RnMomof7
We are Moses, spiritually attached to God,

Indeed catholics are attached to the law ..and will therefore be judged by it... No one could keep that law perfectly but Christ, so when the day of judgement come all seeking to be saved by the law will be dam*d by it..

False a couple of times here. We will be Judged by Christ on, among other things, how we kept His Commandments. We understand that nobody will keep it perfectly, but one of the purposes of the teachings of Jesus is how to strive to imitate Him. To strive to keep the Law of Christ is to imitate Him; our Judgement will be on our deeds and failure to repent for what falls short of Christ.

Mark salvation does not come through Moses and the law..but by the grace of God ...

Agreed, but we mean different things here. We Catholics accept what God and His Church tell us. Anti Catholics construct their own golden calves to their own personal gods. This thread over the last couple of thousand posts illustrate that very well.

13,535 posted on 10/20/2010 12:16:11 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (A puritan is a person who pours righteous indignation into the wrong things.)
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To: MarkBsnr; RnMomof7

Mark, why did Jesus Christ have to die? Seriously, what does the RCC teach about the death of Christ? And what about the resurrection of Christ? What was the reason for that? Or is there any real reason for it, according to the RCC?


13,541 posted on 10/20/2010 12:30:16 PM PDT by smvoice (Defending the Indefensible: The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: MarkBsnr
We understand that nobody will keep it perfectly, but one of the purposes of the teachings of Jesus is how to strive to imitate Him. To strive to keep the Law of Christ is to imitate Him; our Judgement will be on our deeds and failure to repent for what falls short of Christ.

Everything we do falls short of Christ ..everything that comes from the human heart falls short of Christ... it is the sin of pride that tells us that we can imitate Christ in anyway .

God knew no man could keep the law in anyway.. it was given so we know what sin is... it was given so we could see how far short we fall of the perfection and holiness of God ... it allowed us to see that we could never save ourselves.. that we need a Savior..

That Savior was Christ, the only one that could keep the law perfectly..The law points us to Christ ... The law condemns it does not save

13,542 posted on 10/20/2010 12:32:10 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (Some call me harpy..God calls me His)
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To: MarkBsnr
False a couple of times here. We will be Judged by Christ on, among other things, how we kept His Commandments. We understand that nobody will keep it perfectly, but one of the purposes of the teachings of Jesus is how to strive to imitate Him. To strive to keep the Law of Christ is to imitate Him; our Judgement will be on our deeds and failure to repent for what falls short of Christ

Mark where does Jesus teach that it is ok to sorta keep the law ? Or do the best we can?

Douay-Rheims Bible Gal 3:
1 O senseless Galatians, who hath bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been set forth, crucified among you?

2 This only would I learn of you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

3 Are you so foolish, that, whereas you began in the Spirit, you would now be made perfect by the flesh?

4 Have you suffered so great things in vain? If it be yet in vain.

5 He therefore who giveth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you; doth he do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of the faith?

6 As it is written: Abraham believed God, and it was reputed to him unto justice.

7 Know ye therefore, that they who are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

8 And the scripture, foreseeing, that God justifieth the Gentiles by faith, told unto Abraham before: In thee shall all nations be blessed.

9 Therefore they that are of faith, shall be blessed with faithful Abraham.

10 For as many as are of the works of the law, are under a curse. For it is written: Cursed is every one, that abideth not in all things, which are written in the book of the law to do them.

11 But that in the law no man is justified with God, it is manifest: because the just man liveth by faith.

12 But the law is not of faith: but, He that doth those things, shall live in them.

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written: Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Christ Jesus: that we may receive the promise of the Spirit by faith.

15 Brethren (I speak after the manner of man,) yet a man's testament, if it be confirmed, no man despiseth, nor addeth to it.

16 To Abraham were the promises made and to his seed. He saith not, And to his seeds, as of many: but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. 17 Now this I say, that the testament which was confirmed by God, the law which was made after four hundred and thirty years, doth not disannul, to make the promise of no effect.

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise. But God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19 Why then was the law? It was set because of transgressions, until the seed should come, to whom he made the promise, being ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

20 Now a mediator is not of one: but God is one.

21 Was the law then against the promises of God? God forbid. For if there had been a law given which could give life, verily justice should have been by the law.

22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise, by the faith of Jesus Christ, might be given to them that believe.

23 But before the faith came, we were kept under the law shut up, unto that faith which was to be revealed.

24 Wherefore the law was our pedagogue [schoolmaster]in Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after the faith is come, we are no longer under a pedagogue [schoolmaster}

. 26 For you are all the children of God by faith, in Christ Jesus.

27 For as many of you as have been baptized in Christ, have put on Christ.

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek: there is neither bond nor free: there is neither male nor female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if you be Christ's, then are you the seed of Abraham, heirs according to the promise.

13,548 posted on 10/20/2010 1:23:48 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (Some call me harpy..God calls me His)
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To: MarkBsnr
our Judgement will be on our deeds and failure to repent for what falls short of Christ.

...and so what happens after that...what's the "punishment"...because if one misses the mark in one of the least of the commandments he is guilty of them all...so what sort of judgement consequences will one face then?

13,639 posted on 10/20/2010 6:51:39 PM PDT by caww
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