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To: stfassisi
Then you might just have a problem, stfassisi... read and ponder this:

"In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ ACCORDING TO MY GOSPEL". (Rom. 2:16).

This is Paul, of course. He does NOT say OUR GOSPEL, or THE GOSPEL. He says MY GOSPEL. This is about saved believers and the judgement seat of Christ, for rewards. But let's say that you think, because you are a Catholic, you are a believer. I would assume you DO think of yourself as a 'believer'.

What are you going to do with this verse? Paul says, through the Holy Spirit, that men are going to be judged according to Paul's gospel. Is his gospel the same as Peter's? What is Paul's gospel? and what is Peter's gospel? Don't you think it is of utmost importance to find out? Especially since Paul's gospel is going to be the standard used by God the Father and Jesus Christ to judge the secrets of men.

I'll wait for your pondered answer.

12,625 posted on 10/18/2010 2:05:24 PM PDT by smvoice (Defending the Indefensible: The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: smvoice
"Paul says, through the Holy Spirit, that men are going to be judged according to Paul's gospel."

You have it backwards. Paul does not say anything through the Holy Spirit, Paul is the servant of the Holy Spirit, not Its master. The Holy Spirit speaks through Paul and the authorship of the Gospel remains with God.

12,649 posted on 10/18/2010 2:45:41 PM PDT by Natural Law (Don't automatically presume the voices in your hear are the Holy Spirit.)
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To: stfassisi
"Then you might just have a problem, stfassisi..."

You do not have a problem, those who elevate the status of Paul above Jesus and the Holy Spirit do. It was at least highly Freudian that smvoice would state that Paul speaks through the Holy Spirit. Just add it to a long line of Paulian heresies espoused in this Forum by the anti-Catholics.

12,653 posted on 10/18/2010 2:48:38 PM PDT by Natural Law (Don't automatically presume the voices in your hear are the Holy Spirit.)
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To: smvoice; kosta50; Kolokotronis; MarkBsnr; Natural Law; Cronos

SMV...”Then you might just have a problem, stfassisi... read and ponder this:””
SMV adds the following Scripture”In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ ACCORDING TO MY GOSPEL”. (Rom. 2:16).

I don’t have a problem,you do, because your marcion like elevation of Saint Paul fails to see the depth of how to understand this.

Here is something to help you from Blessed Saint John Chrysostom’s Homilies on Romans- Homily 5

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/210205.htm

Ver. 16. “In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my Gospel.”

See how he again puts that day before them, and brings it close to them, battering down their conceit, and showing, that those were to be the rather honored who without the Law strove earnestly to fulfil the things of the Law. But what is most to be marvelled at in the discretion of the Apostle, it is worth while to mention now. For having shown, from the grounds given, that the Gentile is greater than the Jew; in the inference, and the conclusion of his reasoning, he does not state it, in order not to exasperate the Jew. But to make what I have said clearer, I will give the very words of the Apostle. For after saying, that it is not the hearers of the Law, but the doers of the Law, that shall be justified, it followed to say, “For when the Gentiles, which have not the Law, do by nature the things contained in the Law,” they are much better than those who are instructed by the Law. But this he does not say, but he stays at the encomium of the Gentiles, and does not yet awhile carry on his discourse by way of comparison, that so at least the Jew may receive what is said. And so he does not word it as I was doing, but how? “For when the Gentiles, which have not the Law, do by nature the things contained in the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law unto themselves; which show the work of the Law, written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness.” For the conscience and reason does suffice in the Law’s stead. By this he showed, first, that God made man independent, so as to be able to choose virtue and to avoid vice. And be not surprised that he proves this point, not once or twice, but several times. For this topic was very needful for him toprove owing to those who say, Why ever is it, that Christ came but now? And where in times before was the (most manuscripts this mighty) scheme of Providence? Now it is these that he is at present beating off by the way, when he shows that even in former times, and before the Law was given, the human race (Gr. nature) fully enjoyed the care of Providence. For “that which may be known of God was manifest in them,” and they knew what was good, and what bad; by means whereof they judged others, which he reproaches them with, when he says, “wherein you judge another, you condemn yourself.” But in the case of the Jews, besides what has been mentioned, there was the Law, and not reason or conscience only. And why does he put the words “accusing or else excusing?”— for, if they have a Law written, and show the work of it in them, how comes reason to be able to accuse them still? But he is not any longer speaking of those only who do well, but also of mankind (Gr. the nature) universally. For then our reasonings stand up, some accusing and some excusing. And at that tribunal a man needs no other accuser. Then to add to their fear, he does not say the sins of men, but the secrets of men. For since he said, “Do you think, that judgest them that do such things, and doest the same, that you shall escape the judgment of God;” that you may not expect such a sentence as you pass yourself, but may know, that that of God is far more exact than your own, he brings in, “the secrets of men,” and adds, “through Jesus Christ according to my Gospel.” For men sit in judgment upon overt acts alone. And above too he spoke of the Father alone, but as soon as he had crushed them with fear, he brought in the mention of Christ also. But he does not do barely this, but even here, after having made mention of the Father, he so introduces Him. And by the same things he raises the dignity of his preaching. For this preaching, he means, openly speaks out what nature taught by anticipation. Do you see with what wisdom he has bound them both to the Gospel and to Christ, and demonstrated that our affairs come not here to a stand, but travel further. And this he made good before also, when he said, “you store up to yourself wrath against the day of wrath:” and here again, “God shall judge the secrets of men.”

Now let each man enter into his own conscience, and reckoning up his transgressions, let him call himself to a strict account, that we be not then condemned with the world.( 1 Corinthians 11:32).....


12,698 posted on 10/18/2010 4:12:25 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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