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To: count-your-change

Well, in the verses from Matthew, Galatians and 2 Cor. that we have seen, “person” is someone who can be or not be respected, can pray, or give and receive authority to others to act on his behalf. Neither of these abilities pertain to a presence but they pertain to a person.


10,394 posted on 10/11/2010 7:15:53 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex
“I don't disagree at all that the meaning of “person” in Matthew 22:16 is indeed what Thayer suggests”

and what Thayer suggests that YOU AGREE WITH is that “person” in both Matthew 22:16 and Gal. 2:6 means outward appearance, “face”.

An “outward appearance” is not a “someone”, “a who” or an individual “a person”, having personhood.
To assign the giving or receiving of authority to the word “face”, “person” at 2 Cor. 2:10 is not supported by the meaning of “prosopos” while “presence” is.

“So you understand now that “prosopos” at times can only be translated as “person? So why the long post asking for an example of such?”

Again you misstate what I said, I did not just ask “for an example of such?” as above but rather:

You say the Greek reader “takes the meaning from context, for example, when “prosopos” is used in the strictly anatomical sense the reader understand it as “face”, otherwise, the entirety of the human individual”.

So I must ask,
Have you found any instance of “prosopon” or its variants, being used to refer to “person” in the sense of an individual with all the characteristics of self existence that confer upon him personhood, an individuality not associated with objects or animals?

The examples you give do not meet the the criteria of the question above or EVEN WHAT YOU SAID YOU AGREE WITH, i.e.,

“I don't disagree at all that the meaning of “person” in Matthew 22:16 is indeed what Thayer suggests”

and what Thayer suggests that YOU AGREE WITH is that “person” in both Matthew 22:16 and Gal. 2:6 means outward appearance, “face”.

You say (have said) the Greek reader “takes the meaning from context, for example, when “prosopos” is used in the strictly anatomical sense the reader understand it as “face”, otherwise, the entirety of the human individual”.

That's an either/or choice, the face with eyes, nose, etc. OR the person with all the attributes (”the entirety) associated with what it means to be an individual, self aware, “a person”.

That, you have agreed, is NOT the case, presence, literal face, outward appearance, being amongst other meanings you have agreed that “prosopos” can mean.

10,440 posted on 10/11/2010 9:40:13 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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