[Judith Anne]

I am not sure that counts for Catholics..do you give yourself penance as well?

Do not attempt to make the thread about a specific poster. That's against the rules, and 1000 silverlings will make a joke out of it. Tsk tsk.

[1000 silverlings]

I'm more interested in the elephant in your living room (and I don't mean your big doggy)

So are all of you just going to ignore the truth that your old traditional church is fractured? Your world wide growth is in Catholic Pentecostalism and it's a real movement. The clergy is getting married too, so which is correct, all of them, none of them, some of them, and how do you know? Even the popes don't know.