Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[Natural Law]

"Whose fault would it be that you CLAIMED it was a Catholic website?"

Haven't you deduced that lies told in defense of Calvinism or in the slander of the Catholic Church are of no consequence if one is elect?

[Running On Empty]

You ask many questions.

And many of them are repeats....ones that have been asked too many times to count.

And many of them you have already answered yourself... “from my (your) perspective” (post #9645)

There doesn’t seem to be much point in asking questions that you have already frequently answered yourself “from your perspective”.

Which causes me to wonder why many questions are asked and then answered by the inquisitor—to the satisfaction of that inquisitor.

So, I don’t see any purpose in the repetitive questioning.

Consequently, I can’t see any point in Catholics answering them as they would have a different “perspective” anyway and so nothing really changes.

Catholics here are not likely to change their perspective about things Catholic.

[1000 silverlings]

who’s *mother angelica*? is she the Catholic Amie Semple? Where are those pics of Amie so we can compare them?

[D-fendr]

An odd post. Likely it illustrates a lack of knowledge of contemplatives and spirituality throughout the history of the Church.

It would not surprise if it comes from a Protestant viewpoint that at the same time opposes or condemns them.

Making it an even odder post.

[count-your-change]

From the Catholic Encyclopedia under the heading “Christian Worship”,

“In accordance with these principles it will readily be understood that a certain worship may be offered even to inanimate objects, such as the relics of a martyr, the Cross of Christ, the Crown of Thorns, or even the statue or picture of a saint. There is here no confusion or danger of idolatry, for this worship is subordinate or dependent.”

Aaron and the Israelites had much the same excuse for the golden calf.

[Natural Law]

"Aaron and the Israelites had much the same excuse for the golden calf."

Throughout the Old Testament God ordained or permitted the making of images that pointed symbolically toward salvation such as with the Nehushtan (bronze serpent), the ark of the covenant, and the cherubim. God Himself used images to reveal Himself and convey specific messages. This included Jesus as a Lamb, the Holy Spirit as a Dove, and God the Father as a Burning Bush. Catholic iconography expresses in images the same Gospel message that Scripture communicates by words. Image and word illuminate and compliment each other. Both are inspired by the Holy Spirit.

[1000 silverlings]

I'm asking for the Catholic perspective, and it is odd, after all we've been told here abouts about the Catholic church.

The part I like, if true, is that the popes themselves endorse it, in the spirit of ecumenism. So, sometimes, it's ok to be your own interpreter and forego the church fathers? How do you determine when it's ok and when it isn't? I mean, cmon, each one is or can be if he wants to be, his own pope and have his OPIOS, can even speak in tongues and prophesy. This is fascinating, but *how does one determine when it's ok one way and not ok the other way?*

And who's mother angelica? is she a potential saint?

[Running On Empty]

I’m sorry for this—but I’m not able to resist any longer:
The more correct quote for your tagline is-—”Everything that deceives may be said to enchant”

The slight change gives a slightly different nuance.

Now back to the cage fighting.

[Legatus]

And who's mother angelica? is she a potential saint?

Who brought up Mother Angelica?

If you're asking for the Catholic perspective about something why are you addressing six non-Catholics and one Catholic in your post? Seems more like "hold my beer and watch this".

Mother Angelica is a now elderly nun who lives in Alabama. She started a monastery there that eventually added a TV/Radio broadcasting facility, I don't think she's had anything to do with the operations or programming for most of the last decade. She and her nuns "experimented" with "the Charismatic Gifts" during the 70s (IIRC) and then quit because (and I'm paraphrasing based on memory) "it" wasn't as deep as the Franciscan spirituality they already had and caused more confusion than peace.

There are still "charismatic" Catholics. I don't know what to make of them and I'm firmly convinced that "Rome" doesn't understand what the deal is either. To a Roman a charismatic is someone who says "amen" during the homily...

[annalex]

1 Cor. 4:16 says nothing about person or presence

It is compatible with St. Paul's understanding that he is acting in the person of Christ rather than merely (like everyone else) in His presence.

Good night.

[annalex]

1 Cor. 4:16 asks us to imitate St. Paul (μιμηται μου γινεσθε) as he imitates Christ. This is contrasted with merely listening to instruction in the previous verse.

This is compatible with the absolution given by St Paul in the person of Christ in 2 Corinthians 2:10 and, of course, it it exactly how Christ authorized His Apostles to forgive sin, in His person:

As the Father hath sent me, I also send you. [22] When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost. [23] Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained. (John 20)

Compare "He that heareth you, heareth me" in Luke 10:16.

[D-fendr]

Friend, you post indicates such a deep lack of knowledge on contemplative Christians in the Church throughout history, that it is quite useless to attempt a reply in this medium. Short answer, yes, it is "approved by the pope" although even that answer sounds absurd to one with the lightest background on the subject (we are speaking of, among others, Doctors of the Church.)

And who's mother angelica?

Google is your friend. Here's the wiki synopsis.

Comparing her to Aimee Semple McPherson? Well, yes if one knew nothing about either.

I believe Quix is the resident expert on Aimee and Foursquare, you could ping him, or.. search for yourself.

[D-fendr]

Thank you very much for your comparison of Calvinism, Tulip, Double Predestination and the heresey of the Valentinians.

I think you have spot-on identified where Calvinism fits and I'll remember this for future reference. I'm currently in a study group that will include Church history and I see this as being very valuable to bring to others.

Greatly appreciate it.

[D-fendr]

a charismatic is someone who says "amen" during the homily.

Thanks for the knee-slapper...

[count-your-change]

What do you understand “acting in the person of Christ” to mean? And how would Paul do that?

[D-fendr]

I want to emphasize your point here which I think is key to understanding:

Catholic iconography expresses in images the same Gospel message that Scripture communicates by words. Image and word illuminate and compliment each other.

The earliest images we have are from the Early Church from the catacombs of Rome. Here, again, is one from the Catacomb of Priscilla:

This is the earliest known depiction of Mother and Christ. In the same catacomb are Old and New Testament scenes, images of Jesus with a star over his shoulder - signifying Messiah, a scene of the last judgement, and the Annunciation.

This catacomb is mentioned in all ancient liturgical sources.

Christian art, including the Virgin Mary and Jesus, goes back to the beginning of the Church, integral to the liturgical growth and teaching of the Gospel.

In its rejection, and the rejection of monastic prayer and contemplative Christianity, we are left with..? Language and intellectual concepts, intellectual assent, believerism and so on. A vast reductionism of the early Church into conceptualization, rationalism and systematic logic for theology - a blind theology.

We might as well seek to eliminate sight and sound and touch and taste from our knowledge and experience of God.

[Running On Empty]

Thanks for the excellent post.

BTW, I have visited some of the catacombs.

[stfassisi]

“”Greatly appreciate it.””

Thanks ,dear friend,but there is nothing new under the sun I’m putting forth other than the same ole heresies being repeated again and again, they(calvin and others) just change the form of it and use different language and wording to promote the same gnostic system

My prayers are for people to read the Church Fathers and see the many ridiculous falsehoods pointed at Catholicism that “re” repeated over and over due to ignorance.

For example....I see consistent postings here of the IGNORANT trying to connect pre converted Constantine to corruption of the Catholic church because they read lying idiots like Dan Brown,yet we read the Church fathers like Saint Hillary of Poitiers and see clearly that the Church rejected Constantine’s beliefs before his conversion.

From Saint Hilary Of Poitiers...

‘But nowadays, we have to do with a disguised persecutor, a smooth-tongued enemy, a Constantius who has put on Antichrist; who scourges us, not with lashes, but with caresses who instead of robbing us, which would give us spiritual life, bribes us with riches, that he may lead us to eternal death; who thrusts us not into the liberty of a prison, but into the honours of his palace, that he may enslave us: who tears not our flesh, but our hearts; who beheads not with a sword, but kills the soul with his gold; who sentences not by a herald that we are to be burnt, but covertly enkindles the fire of hell against us. He does not dispute with us, that he may conquer; but he flatters us, that so he may lord it over our souls. He confesses Christ, the better to deny Him; he tries to procure a unity which shall destroy peace; he puts down some few heretics, so that he may also crush the Christians; he honours Bishops, that they may cease to be Bishops; he builds up Churches, that he may pull down the Faith. -Saint Hilary of Poitiers

I wish you a Blessed evening!

[RnMomof7]

and do not Catholic kneel before the tabernacle and the cross?

[RnMomof7]

who’s *mother angelica*? is she the Catholic Amie Semple? Where are those pics of Amie so we can compare them

Poor Mother Angelica ...She is the queen of EWTN

My saddest memory of her is a fairly recent one.. she was holding a bible in her hands..telling her listeners how no one will be able to understand it until they die.. Her example was how we can not understand why Jesus meant it when he said He was the bread of life..but not when he said he was the door ...

That poor lady really thinks she is a bride of Christ, when she can not even understand His word... Pray for her salvation