Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[D-fendr]

Here is the problem Judith… they are not actually a replication of the actual… it is not a true likeness of Christ

So if it was a photograph or painting done in the realist style it wouldn't be an idol.

This just gets sillier. I really cannot believe anyone thinks like this.

[RnMomof7]

So if it was a photograph or painting done in the realist style it wouldn't be an idol.
This just gets sillier. I really cannot believe anyone thinks like this.

What one believes is god in his heart does not mean it is god.. every pagan believed their statures were truly gods.. that did not make them gods.. what you choose to believe does not matter..what God believes does matter and he said he did not want false Gods before Him..

I would argue that the bread in Catholic communion is an idol of mans own making even though catholics think it is god..

[D-fendr]

Well you are finally getting close to answering the only relevant question:

What is the difference between an idol and an icon; what makes an idol an idol?

Hint: It’s not candles.

[Natural Law]

"I would think that these scriptures fit right into Catholic doctrinally.."

You are deflecting and not answering the initial contention. If you criticize the Catholic Church for not adhering literally to some parts of Exodus and Deuteronomy you have to explain why Calvinists do not adhere to all of the requirements of Old Testament law.

As for your citation of I Cor. 10:19-20 it can be misleading taken out the context in which it was written. It is a warning against things that would lead us away from Christ, not against those images or icons that lead us to Him.

[1000 silverlings]

The bible quite clearly states that the Holy Spirit is the only one that leads to Christ.

[Natural Law]

"I’ve always found it curious that anyone would hang a model of an instrument of torture and death of their savior on their walls or wear a replication of it around their neck.:

It is a reminder of the sacrifice made for us not unlike the Seder meal or the Mezuzah.

[RnMomof7]

Hint: It’s not candles.

Ahhh but candles, flowers, kneelers etc are tips of the idol iceburg.. those are honors that only belong to God

[D-fendr]

In this way of “thinking,” Michelangelo was the greatest idolator of all time.

[Natural Law]

"The bible quite clearly states that the Holy Spirit is the only one that leads to Christ."

Your presumption that those icons and images are not inspired by the Holy Spirit is wrong. Those images you consider weird or offensive are not unlike hymns and prayers created for a preliterate population.

[D-fendr]

If one lights by candles, precisely how close can the candle be to the art without becoming idolatry?

Again, the only relevant question is: What is the difference between an idol and an icon; what makes an idol an idol?

[RnMomof7]

you have to explain why Calvinists do not adhere to all of the requirements of Old Testament law.

Not at all, Protestantism is a New Testament church... we believe in salvation by Faith alone by grace alone , to the glory of God alone

But God is immutable, He still hates idolatry that is why one does not see idols in Protestant churches.

[1000 silverlings]

Show me some scripture where the HS gave out pictures or statues and said *this is the guy you want to look for”

[RnMomof7]

Your presumption that those icons and images are not inspired by the Holy Spirit is wrong.

Then why do they all look different?

[1000 silverlings]

well he worked for the pope

[D-fendr]

Ahhh but candles, flowers, kneelers etc are tips of the idol iceburg.. those are honors that only belong to God

So what does a suitor give you on Valentines day? Does chocolate only belong to God also?

If you kneel when praying - assuming that's not automatically idolatrous - how far away must you be from any religious art or object, or Bible, for it not to be mistaken for an idol?

Again, the only relevant question is...

[D-fendr]

well he worked for the pope

So did St. Mark.

[1000 silverlings]

Then why didn’t Mark refer to him as the Pope?

[D-fendr]

Think about how silly that question is for a moment.

[D-fendr]

thank you.

[1000 silverlings]

Unless you are talking about something different, then we are talking about Mark of the bible and Peter, Mark did not "work for the pope".

In fact in both the Mark and Peter epistles much is said of the work of the Holy Spirit and at no time did Mark ever think that Peter was to take the place of the Holy Spirit, as Christ's Vicar, here on earth. Nor did Peter. Or is this more Catholic theology-- the bible never mentions it, so it could be true?