Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
Why thank you, I already am
I couldn't actually tell you if it's the guy from Hampton Heights Baptist Church, Brushy Creek Baptist Church or what, I'm pretty sure it's not the maniac from Redemption World Outreach Center. AS USUAL though, THAT isn't the point. The point is that I'm NOT voting for his guy, period.
Are we REALLY reduced to "oh, he didn't name names and provide contact information so the actual point he was making isn't relevant"?
I live in the "upstate" of SC, it's freaking "Radio Eckleburg" around here.
[note to the RM: I don't think that last bit crosses the line, I certainly didn't intend it to.]
A bit of John Gill's Commentaries and a few pages of quotes from Calvin's Institutes of the Christian Religion
To Catholics the church is were one gets saved, in scripture and in Protestantism the church is the gathering of the saved..
BTW The scriptures were inspired by God and given by God, and given to the church..
Incorrect, Church teachings are not in conflict with Scripture.
My friend.. there is no priesthood, no apostolic succession, no papacy , no prayer to saints, no immaculate conception, no assumption, no holy water, no purgatory, no 7 sacraments instituted by Christ, etc etc.. The majority of what passes for catholic doctrine is found no where in the scriptures and comes from the imagination or musings of men
The fact that Protesants REJECT Church teaching on portions of Scripture, does not mean that such Scripture does not exist.
We reject what the scripture is silent on as "inspired truth" and we reject scriptures taken out of context and circumstances to prove a doctrine that a clear reading does not support
How do you "know" this? Who do you think it was that determined the canon of the New Testament?
The scriptures give testimony of themselves. They support each other and define each other.. the scriptures were declared scripture when they were written and used as scripture before the church council affirmed them
Exactly, it has NEVER made any sense to me why the cosmic lottery believers spend a single second trying to convert others to their point of view.
You either are a winner or loser in the cosmic lottery, talking about it is a waste of time.
It appears this "vow" was subject to a few exceptions doesn't it.
What Scriptural indication do you have that Mary ever made a vow of perpetual virginity, that her father approved or dissaproved, or that Joseph knew of a vow and remaind silent (signalling acceptance)?
Wait a minute, are we talking about Ellie Crystal again?
There is NO commentary of the entire scriptures done by the magisterium (the official teachers of the church)..NONE... Nada ..The list you presented are critiques on methods of exegesis. They are NOT any official infallible commentaries
In the past the average Catholic could depend on the word of his parish priest if he had any doubts about correct Catholic belief or conduct, or even on the example of the many good Catholics about him. But today one can no longer trust everything that is said by just any priest or theologian, and our fellow parishioners are likely to be totally confused about what the Church proclaims to have been revealed by God. And so it behooves us to understand a word and concept that is apt to be unfamiliar or confusing. This word is Magisterium. Now the Latin word magisterium originally meant the duty or office of a teacher, tutor, master, etc. And in the case of the Church it means simply the teaching authority or office of the Church. The Magisterium is the teaching office of the Church, accomplished by the Holy Father and the bishops teaching in union with him.
The rule of what we must believe as Catholics was defined by the First Vatican Council (1870) thus: …Further, all those things are to be believed with divine and Catholic faith which are contained in the Word of God, written or handed down, and which the Church, either by a solemn judgment or by her ordinary and universal teaching [magisterium], proposes for belief as having been divinely revealed. [1]
http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/magisterium.htm
...Again NO Official Inspired commentary written in 2000 years.
You are mistaken. It wasn't in Loosiana, it was somplace up no'th. My friends freinds uncle does know of such a Preacher in Madawaska, Maine. He has a 100 watt radio transmitter in his kitchen. Dollars to donuts he is the culprit.
"In order that the full and living Gospel might always be preserved in the Church the apostles left bishops as their successors. They gave them their own position of teaching authority." Indeed, "the apostolic preaching, which is expressed in a special way in the inspired books, was to be preserved in a continuous line of succession until the end of time."
This living transmission, accomplished in the Holy Spirit, is called Tradition, since it is distinct from Sacred Scripture, though closely connected to it. Through Tradition, "the Church, in her doctrine, life and worship, perpetuates and transmits to every generation all that she herself is, all that she believes." "The sayings of the holy Fathers are a witness to the life-giving presence of this Tradition, showing how its riches are poured out in the practice and life of the Church, in her belief and her prayer."
The Father's self-communication made through his Word in the Holy Spirit, remains present and active in the Church: "God, who spoke in the past, continues to converse with the Spouse of his beloved Son. And the Holy Spirit, through whom the living voice of the Gospel rings out in the Church - and through her in the world - leads believers to the full truth, and makes the Word of Christ dwell in them in all its richness."
Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture, then, are bound closely together, and communicate one with the other. For both of them, flowing out from the same divine well-spring, come together in some fashion to form one thing, and move towards the same goal." Each of them makes present and fruitful in the Church the mystery of Christ, who promised to remain with his own "always, to the close of the age".
"Sacred Scripture is the speech of God as it is put down in writing under the breath of the Holy Spirit." Tradition transmits in its entirety the Word of God which has been entrusted to the apostles by Christ the Lord and the Holy Spirit. It transmits it to the successors of the apostles so that, enlightened by the Spirit of truth, they may faithfully preserve, expound and spread it abroad by their preaching.
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Yea yea yea
I will assume that is your best answer??
That is why they are mostly in latin ...
Bingo ! (returning to my roots here :)
It sure looks like that
So where do we find Mary's and Joseph's vow??
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