Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[boatbums]

The word is “krino” and means:
1) to separate, put asunder, to pick out, select, choose

2) to approve, esteem, to prefer

3) to be of opinion, deem, think, to be of opinion

4) to determine, resolve, decree

5) to judge

a) to pronounce an opinion concerning right and wrong

1) to be judged, i.e. summoned to trial that one’s case may be examined and judgment passed upon it

b) to pronounce judgment, to subject to censure

1) of those who act the part of judges or arbiters in matters of common life, or pass judgment on the deeds and words of others

6) to rule, govern

a) to preside over with the power of giving judicial decisions, because it was the prerogative of kings and rulers to pass judgment

7) to contend together, of warriors and combatants

a) to dispute

b) in a forensic sense

1) to go to law, have suit at law

[Quix]

Not according to The Lord.

[Quix]

INDEED.

Sad to watch . . . when it isn’t so absurd as to be hilarious.

[Quix]

I sometimes wonder if even THAT’s a true statement.

However, comprehension is different from merely reading, anyway.

[Quix]

So it seems.

[Forest Keeper]

(I included your visable ping list.)

Really, find me where Luther or Calvin EVER denied the perpetual virginity of the Blessed Mother.

Right here, in Calvin's Commentaries on Matthew 1:25:

25. And knew her not This passage afforded the pretext for great disturbances, which were introduced into the Church, at a former period, by Helvidius. The inference he drew from it was, that Mary remained a virgin no longer than till her first birth, and that afterwards she had other children by her husband. Jerome, on the other hand, earnestly and copiously defended Mary’s perpetual virginity. Let us rest satisfied with this, that no just and well-grounded inference can be drawn from these words of the Evangelist, as to what took place after the birth of Christ. He is called first-born; but it is for the sole purpose of informing us that he was born of a virgin.115115 “Il est nomme Premier nay, mais non pour autre raison, sinon afin que nous sachions qu'il est nay d'une mere vierge, et qui jamais n'avoit eu enfant;” — “he is called First-born, but for no other reason than that we may know that he was born of a pure virgin, and who never had had a child.” It is said that Joseph knew her not till she had brought forth her first-born son: but this is limited to that very time. What took place afterwards, the historian does not inform us. Such is well known to have been the practice of the inspired writers. Certainly, no man will ever raise a question on this subject, except from curiosity; and no man will obstinately keep up the argument, except from an extreme fondness for disputation. (emphasis added)

From this Calvin says it's unknowable. That is certainly a denial of her alleged ever-virginity being a truth.

[Quix]

This must be it.

Thx.

http://www.triumphpro.com/james-burial-box-proof-of-christ.pdf

[metmom]

Jesus touched lepers. Nine months in contact with a sinful person isn’t going to contaminate Jesus. That person doesn’t need to be holy.

If Jesus identifies with us with us fully in our humanity, that would include being borne by a sinful mother, just like the rest of us.

Mary never had to be perfect and sinless, just obedient.

[Quix]

We need to find some ways to post some of that on this thread.

I don’t have time to retype it. I suppose I could print the page and scan it then post the pic of the scan.

Need to find the most useful sections.

I’d thought the box had been declared more recent but evidently not—given the very rigorous scientific study of the rock it was made of etc.

The best scholars seem to put it about 63 AD—which matches various annecdotal historic accounts rather well.

It certainly does trash the lie that Christ had no blood half siblings and therefore the lie that Mary had no more children.

Thanks Thanks.

[Natural Law]

"Latin has always been the preferred language of the occult; the very tongue of Satan."

Can you cite a reference or were you just pulling this out of the nether world?

[metmom]

If Mary was sinful, what would happen if Almighty God Himself came to inhabit her for 9 months?

Um, nothing.

Sin isn't transmitted by contact, nor is sinfulness, nor the sin nature.

The sin nature is inherited from the father, not contact with the mother.

The Ark carried God. You might want to head on back to the OT and read up on the Ark.

Jesus' body carried God.

There is not one verse in Scripture which indicates that the ark foreshadowed Mary. That's merely a Catholic construct used to justify the claim that she was immaculately conceived.

[metmom]

Yes, that is true. “She” there is a mistranslation and the Church acknowledges that.

Yeah. Now. now that they HAD to because people were learning the truth about it.

It was the RCC which deliberately mistranslated it in the first place. They're no heroes for correcting their own deliberate mistranslation.

[Lera]

I think this makes a good case for it being real.
They arrest the guy who added claiming he was making forgeries but what are the chances he would know the differences in the changes of the language ?
To claim it a forgery would benefit many.

” The script is very important for the date because the Aramaic script changed over time in way we could measure ,” said P. Kyle McCarter , a paleographer at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, Maryland. “It’s the most important criterion for dating this object , and the script is consistent with the date in the middle of the first century A.D.

[metmom]

What a bunch of , ummm... errrr... nonsense.

The victory is Jesus. Not Mary’s.

God will not share His glory with another.

[Natural Law]

OR . . . ."

Maybe the Jedi mind trick really does work on anti-Catholics.

[count-your-change]

The age of the box was not in question but rather part of the inscription (and it’s the inscription that gives value to the box) some experts had declared of recent date.

The collector that sold the box was arrested for fraud. So at last I saw, it was dueling experts on part of the inscription’s authenticity.

[Jaded]

Look in the mirror.

[Quix]

I agree.

[Quix]

NOPE.

Nor do the white hankys

[Lera]

I don’t have time to retype it. I suppose I could print the page and scan it then post the pic of the scan.

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No need to type when you can cut & paste :)

Highlight the parts you want and hit Ctrl and C
then open up Word and paste what you want into it by hitting Ctrl and V