Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[1000 silverlings]

uh oh, pinged wrong Judith Ann

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It’s real simple, I believe what the bible says about it, period. Of course, one would have to read for themselves what the bible says, not rely on someone to read it for them

[RnMomof7]

Your Trinitarian beliefs are demonstrably heretical, and your description of the Gospels as OT are equally as false. Do these beliefs come from you or are they taught by your cult?

When did Jesus say he was going to institute a NEW TESTAMENT? That should answer your question of the period of time covered by the gospels

And by the way, I learned this fact from a Mennonite professor of theology in a Bible Survey class. It is an accepted fact by Christian Theologians

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forgot the e

[D-fendr]

There isn’t an official set of Baptist theological beliefs. Baptist churches are autonomous and have a variety of different beliefs - the varieties of Calvinism and Arminianism would be two big ones among others.

[1000 silverlings]

nice, and there’s only ONE bible, not two, called The Holy Bible

[RnMomof7]

Paul was the apostle and teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles as opposed to being an apostle to the Jews.

As we look at the Scriptures we see the primary doctrinal writings were the work of Paul.. I believe that he selected to write the majority of the NT ..

[boatbums]

Would "The Apostle Irving" have written different epistles? The same doctrine would have been communicated to us but in a different way, wouldn't it? Surely his personality would have been his own, Paul's writing style is different than John's for instance so it seems something of the writer shines through.
In the same way suppose it had been "The Blessed Virgin Hannah"... the same Christ would have been born... but would there have been ANY differences?

Certainly a great idea to chew on, but actually moot, since I don't believe in Alternate Universes. ;o)

It is what it is, exactly how God intended it.

[Legatus]

Every Christian, no matter how large or small, is important to the fabric of God's tapestry.

Importance doesn't approach necessity. God "needs" to exist, I don't. God did not create us out of necessity, God is not contingent upon our existence.

[D-fendr]

It was written so that we would know we were sinners ...

You can't know that in the womb. And, according to double predestination, it makes no difference to your salvation whether you know it later or not.

[Jaded]

This is quite different from belief that a fetus is either saved or doomed in the womb - with no free will choices ever, and nothing possible changing their salvation one way or the other.

If one seriously believes that about predestination then it's an anything goes life. You can be absolutely evil or garden variety dispicable and it will NEVER matter. Even the OSAS can't compete with that because even they "made" a choice.

[boatbums]

I remember when I was a new convert hearing a very nervous lector announce "A reading from the letter of St. Paul to the Filipinos". Oh that cracked me up.

LOL...remind me to tell you about the sermon I heard where the subject was Jesus' healing of the woman with a "bloody flux".

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lol, all that would be news to Baptists. Tell me, did you hear this from a friend of a friend somewhere that went to a Baptist church once in the mid-west?

Just to ease your mind, in all my time as a Baptist I only remember the Word of God ever being preached, not Calvinism or Arminianism as neither is biblical doctrine. When Baptists of different churches come together, every single one will bring a bible, trust me, and will be checking it diligently to see if what the speaker says is true.

As to "different beliefs" you are going to have to come up with something better than that.

[Jaded]

John 3:4-6

4”How can a man be born when he is old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely he cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb to be born!”

5Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. 6Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit[a] gives birth to spirit.

[D-fendr]

Yep.

Anything goes and nothing you or anyone else can choose or do matters.

If you believe in this theology, you have to act like it isn’t true in order to function as a human being. “As if” you had free will choices; “as if” your choices mattered...

[1000 silverlings]

nice verses, so what?

[D-fendr]

I was Baptist also.

If you want to familiarize yourself with the similarities differences in beliefs among different congregations, Google is your friend.

[MarkBsnr]

Yes, we most definitely should consider the source. "All scripture is given by inspiration of God" comes to mind.

Yet there is no Scripture that says that all are of equal importance.

The Gospels are quite a lot more than "just" the quotations of Jesus, if you are familiar with them.

Very true, yet there are those who don't seem to realize that quotations from Almighty God are to be taken with the utmost and complete acceptance.

Matthew 4: 4 3 He said in reply, "It is written: 'One does not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes forth from the mouth of God.'"

The quotes of Jesus are to be accepted as His literal words - the words of God Almighty. The quotes from, say, Nahum are not the literal words of God Almighty spoken to men. We believe that God meant us to read them, but they do not weigh against the spoken words of the Lord.

The only "alleged" Christians I have read that have tried to place preeminence of some scripture over others are the ones who claim their own revealed, extra-biblical documents.

Funny, for the 1200 years prior to the Reformation, there was no doubt whatsoever about Church documents and what the belief of the Church is.

[Legatus]

We can act like animals... should we? We can return like for like... should we?

My point isn't "boo-hoo, the Calvinists (or the Catholics) are a bunch of meanies, be nice". My point is the message isn't getting through the noise... or rather it IS but not in the manner the messenger is expecting and it's not the intended message. If poster X is a complete harpy the message that comes across is "believe like X and you'll end up like X, isn't that attractive?"

Well no, it isn't attractive and if that's how the faith of X works in X's life then count me out because it's totally useless. Especially if X is held up as a paragon of X's faith... Now me, I'm a lousy example of faithful Catholicism in action. I'm snide, arrogant, rude, selfish, nasty, combative, snotty, cranky... not as much as I was yesterday (I hope) and more than I will be tomorrow. Occasionally I shut up long enough for a glimmer of the light of Christ to shine through and even that's not of my own doing.

I realize how some people get around "This is my commandment, that you love one another, as I have loved you." They write all the "anothers" off and say "I don't have to show love to Y because Y is a reprobate heathen".

To those of that opinion:

How's
that
working
out
for
you?

Because from where I'm sitting, THAT is a complete catastrophe. NOBODY ELSE wants to be like that.

This isn't about well-moderated forums with everyone sitting around drinking tea. It's "IS there really a line of people waiting to sign up to join 'harpies for Jesus'?" Speaking as a former card-carrying member of the men's auxiliary who now only attends the pot luck dinners: I hate guest chef night at the chinese restaurant... my fried rice is supposed to be cooked spicy, not with a container of chili sauce on the side! I've only been ordering the same thing for the last 10 years, how can they mess this up?

[MarkBsnr]

I do think that perhaps the Calvinists have completely lost it.

Rather, let us just say that they are lost and it is up to Christians to find them and bring them back to Christ.