Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[D-fendr]

Caste is a good description. I believe it was Dr. E. who postulated that it, election, was passed on to the children through the parents.

[1000 silverlings]

But isn’t Catholicism passed on to the children thru the parents?

[D-fendr]

Occasionally good discussion breaks out. I also learn some things about the Church and other’s theology.

But, often, you’re right: it’s like trying to read a good book during a gang fight.

[1000 silverlings]

ie, aren't you born into the great Catholic church? Aren't you lucky that way? Why... that could be considered---election!!!

[D-fendr]

We baptize children.

Not to be compared with born saved being inherited.

[Running On Empty]

You got it.

I’ll take the Good Book :-)

[D-fendr]

aren't you born into the great Catholic church?

Not me. I converted.

[D-fendr]

LOL.

Legatus made a good point. Reminded me of the Tar Baby story. Well worth remembering on here.

That and “The Scroll Bar is Your Friend”

[1000 silverlings]

born saved

lol, lol, so much wrong with that, but sorry--- you are claiming election

[D-fendr]

Why... that could be considered---election

The big difference is in that. In double predestination you are born elect (or born doomed to hell). And there's nothing you can do, say, think, etc. etc. to change that.

As some have demonstrated, you can leave the Church. And a I demonstrate, you can join the Church.

[D-fendr]

you are claiming election

If you got that from my post, I correct you: no.

And most certainly I'm not claiming it from the womb.

How about you? Where are you on double predestination. (Please forgive me if I should know.)

[1000 silverlings]

yes, but the Catholics maintain the Catholic church is the vehicle of salvation. By baptising infants you are what? baptizing them into the Catholic church? Because they did not make a conscious choice to follow Christ and be born again. and that my friend, is a world of difference.

[1000 silverlings]

Where are you on double predestination. (Please forgive me if I should know.) ,p> I believe what the bible says.

[OLD REGGIE]

"...What I said was Geneva was now predominantly Catholic and that the Swiss are very good at cleaning up messes. If that required immigration so be it. It is further proof that the world wide Catholic population is indeed growing and spreading."

Magic Catholic math:

1. A Catholic leaves place "B" and moves to place "A".

2. This proves a growing Catholic population in both places.

[D-fendr]

Baptism is not the end. There are plenty of conscious choices to come.

That’s the difference. In double predestination, the end of salvation is at the beginning - in the womb. A fetus makes no conscious choices. But there he or she is - saved or doomed.

[OLD REGGIE]

Kosta has as much right to participate in this discussion as any convential "Christian".

And we have every right to weigh his words by his disbelief..

Yup, and even the right to tell him he doesn't belong on a "Christian" thread. His right is to ignore such high-handed commands.

[D-fendr]

I believe what the bible says.

I'm not sure if that is a yes or no on whether you believe in double predestination or what's Calvinist Predestination. This is spelled out in Chapter III of the Westminster Confession of Faith.

Maybe I should ask it this way: Is the WCF part of your church's beliefs?

[1000 silverlings]

I believe what the bible says. I have no problem believing in a sovereign God who has mercy on whom He will have mercy and that He is just. I don’t spend one minute of my time worrying about election, Hell, ufos and obama, my job is to love Him no matter what. He’s the potter, I’m just clay, ashes to ashes, dust to dust. My soul doesn’t belong to me. In fact this very night, it may be required of me. Am I running out to get in one last good deed? lol, not likely. God is a sovereign just God, and He’s in control. I find that quite peaceful and assuring.

[OLD REGGIE]

"...and at the Tagsatzung of 1844 Protestants in vain demanded the expulsion of Catholics in general and the Jesuit order from the territory of the Swiss confederacy"

What is so surprising in a "Protestant" desire to expel the Jesuit Order? Even Pope Clement XIV in 1773 found it necessary to disband them. Must be something about those "loveable" Jesuits which makes enemies?

[boatbums]

St. Paul is not a contingent being, he is not necessary either for the Redemption or the existence of the created world. He didn't need to exist. It's almost as if Calvinistas are doing to St. Paul what they accuse Catholics of doing to Mary... How's that shoe feel when it's on the other foot?

Of course Paul is intrinsically unnecessary for our redemption or the created world, you silly wabbit! God could have used "Irving" to make known the truths of the gospel to his embryonic church. He chose Saul (Paul) and therefore the words he spoke are recorded in the Bible and accepted as the revealed words of God - as God willed. By the same token, God could have chosen a young virgin named Hannah instead of Mary to bear the Savior.

I totally agree that without Jesus Christ, Paul's words would mean nothing, but the entire Bible is about him so he is, of course, its center. Without him, not one word would make sense.