Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
Our birth is no accident, God set the time, the place and the parents..
Yes, you were born lucky.
And you can do or say or believe anything at all and it will not change or affect the fact that you are saved by God.
Humble.
I do think that perhaps the Calvinists have completely lost it.
you go first
And we have every right to weigh his words by his disbelief..
Except where Paul treats women as second class citizens.
1 Timothy 2:1.[12] I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent.
This is the accepted Catholic Church position.
“Actually we REALLY believe the Trinity is 3 PERSONS in one God”
Each of them is God whole and entire.
“What you know or believe you know has not even convinced you..there is no reason to even read what you write if you can not convince yourself.”
I’m fully prepared to hear from the usual posters who like to yell “hall monitor”, but if the above post isn’t “personal” and/or “mind-reading”, then my understanding of personal and mind-reading as described by the Mod needs explaining.
We are now into thousands of posts and the usual devolution of content and spit-wads are taking over.
What I do believe is that there is a point when any response to inquisitorial questions which seem to have questionable intent, any response to the endless posting referring to predatory priests, as if the application is for each and every priest (smearing about 98% or more of the good priests), any discussion of Mary and saints and liturgy and Eucharist, etc. becomes gotcha-game, we’ll-preach-to-you-to-save-you to a certain group on this forum.
I have observed that there are many who have dropped away—many who had something to contribute besides accusations, personal anecdotal experiences of bad Catholics, ongoing false accusations against popes and priests, constant negative “witnessing”, orders to other posters to “repent”, clinging on to “bones” of argumentation to a tiresome, repetitive level.
Each time I come onto these threads with this sort of same-o, same-o, I think: why should anyone think that the other side has changed their minds? Isn’t it a sort of mental dullness to keep doing that which changes nothing but just churns on endlessly?
Is it possible that there is some ego involved in thinking that one can change minds and hearts when one is cloaked in anonymity? Is it possible to change minds and hearts when the “message” is always negative, accusative, condescending and yes—sometimes even bitter?
There are so many great Catholic websites where good things are happening and encouraging and uplifting messages are exchanged and questions brought up are discussed and often clarified in an atmosphere of good will.
To me, it is a far better thing to be in that sort of place.
I am disappointed in the FR religion forum.
And yes, experience tells me that I can expect a certain kind of response to my thoughts.
So be it.
And oilå, ou're saved! Winner of God's lottery.
FR Religion Forum. Where Christians gather to disappoint each other!
Your knowledge of the history of Switzerland is as flawed as your knowledge of scripture and Catholic history. As I asked earlier, do you think no one can actually check these facts for themselves? Catholicism has always been the majority religion of Switzerland and was even practiced clandestinely in Geneva under the nose of Calvin and his Stasi, under penalty of death by a majority of the people. That was one of the reasons he had to resort to a "secret police".
Unable to overcome traditionalist Catholicism, which contributed to religious unrest and the formation of the Sonderbund of the Catholic cantons, and at the Tagsatzung of 1844 Protestants in vain demanded the expulsion of Catholics in general and the Jesuit order from the territory of the Swiss confederacy. When even that failed the Protestants initiated a civil war, the Sonderbundskrieg. The Protestant military victory in 1847 resulted in the implementation of the ban 1848 in the Swiss Constitution. It was expanded even further in the revised constitution of 1874, so that much open Catholic activity and all activity of Jesuits either in clerical or in educational function was outlawed.
This banning triggered a mass emigration of Catholics. The ban lasted until 1973, when the paragraph was removed from the constitution by a popular vote and precipitated the return of Swiss Catholics from Italy, Spain, Portugal and France.
the last one to yell it out was Natural Law who likes ad hominems
I wonder if that's what happened with Mad Dawg. If it is it's a crying shame.
I posted concerning the theologically orthodox understanding of person, nature and (very briefly) the external action of the Blessed Trinity... to which you responded "Read your Bible". That appears to be a denial of foundational Christian belief, I don't know if it is, but based on your other posts on those subjects I'm inclined to believe that's exactly what it is. It appears that "read your Bible" was supposed to be a refutation of classical Christian theology, it's not because studying the Sacred Scriptures is what produced those classical definitions. Accepting them is sort of critical to professing Christian belief.
Appearances seem to indicate that while you may believe in a Trinity, you do not believe in THE Trinity.
I'm not interested in gotcha-evangelism (or what Mad Dawg accurately calls sado-evangelism). I have even done that myself to OLD REGGIE on the issue of Elijah being assumed into Heaven. For that I am sorry. There's a good warning about being careful who you choose as an enemy because you will become like them. I don't want to become like... well, the public personas presented by the Calvinists in the forum. If that's what is being sold as the fruit of right belief then no thanks, not even thanks, just no.
Apropos of nothing, is it Jesus who makes people act like nasty, hectoring, booger flicking harpies? Harpy is such an interesting word... I wonder what Ferb would contribute on the subject.
To my co-religionists looking in:
I'm seeing some of that around here, and it worries me. We need to be very careful that we don't fall into the trap of treating "them" the way they treat "us". If someone behaves like an animal it's not our job to roll around in the sewage with them. Our job is to at all costs find a way to get them out of it. At the very least don't encourage them to wallow by feeding their beast within.
Which is probably what I'm doing right now. So I'll stop.
Paul was necessary for one simple reason; Jesus chose Paul to preach to the Gentiles. JESUS MADE PAUL NECESSARY!
Definitely
(Keep calm and carry on)
It was either that or “freak out and quit”. I probably should use “sit down and have a drink”.
lol, it’ll be ok. I like “Leggo”, I think we should talk to him more often
Its the Caste system with Calvinist Brahmins and Catholic Bhangi. It seems Calvin borrowed from more than just the Koran.
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