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Intended Catholic Dictatorship
Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief

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To: Natural Law
"Is Jesus God?"

Yes, as is God the Father and the Holy Spirit. Each are individual Hypostases within one Ousia.

Then God deliberately "confused".

7,621 posted on 09/29/2010 3:13:12 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: OLD REGGIE
"Then God deliberately "confused"."

The author of confusion, like sin, is Satan and his willing accomplices here on earth.

Stop with the inane questions. It would seem you are not legitimately asking questions to which you don't know the answer but are you trying to play some sort of dumb Catholic gotcha trick? You don't seem honest enough for the former or clever enough for the later.

7,622 posted on 09/29/2010 3:19:08 PM PDT by Natural Law (A lie is a known untruth expressed as truth. A liar is the one who tells it.)
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To: RnMomof7
One commonality I find among the Catholics I now personally and it seems true of the ones I know here is they are indifferent to the eternity of others..

One commonality I find among the Calvinists I know personally and it seems true of the ones that I know here is that they exalt in their own self-appointed salvation and wallow in the belief that all others are lesser beings and are all headed straight for hellfire everlasting.

We Catholics on the other hand, believe Paul when he says in: 1 Thessalonians 5: 8 But since we are of the day, let us be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love and the helmet that is hope for salvation.

Galatians 5: 5 For through the Spirit, by faith, we await the hope of righteousness. 6 For in Christ Jesus, neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love. 4

We hope for ourselves and for all men that all men are saved, as Paul told Timothy.

7,623 posted on 09/29/2010 3:19:58 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: D-fendr
I'm confused?

I've noticed. And confused about whether you are confused. Meta-confused.

So I am to understand you are in favor of castration whether natural, self imposed, or imposed by others?

7,624 posted on 09/29/2010 3:20:46 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: OLD REGGIE
Oh I see. You were just talking because you like to hear your own voice.

No, it's because I enjoy conversing with you.

7,625 posted on 09/29/2010 3:21:52 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Natural Law
I've been to Rome and Vatican City. I prefer Vatican City. Been to Geneva too. Did you know its predominantly Catholic now? The Swiss have an obsession with cleaning up messes.

It took 200 years after the reign of Calvinist terror for the good burghers of Geneva to learn how to smile again in public.

7,626 posted on 09/29/2010 3:23:04 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: OLD REGGIE

Am I to understand you expect me to answer a question of yours about my beliefs?


7,627 posted on 09/29/2010 3:23:38 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: MarkBsnr

Thank you for these great quotes from St. Paul and for our “reasons for hope” that they give us as we journey to the Promised Land.

They are worth repeating again and again.


7,628 posted on 09/29/2010 3:25:27 PM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words: "It's too late"))
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To: Natural Law
"There is no record of any person, with the exception of Jesus, being raised during His time on this earth...

There are no records of that happening to Jesus either, but there are accounts that rely upon faith for belief. What's your point?

SCRIPTURE! I realize that is irrevelant to you especialy when compared to man-made Tradition..

7,629 posted on 09/29/2010 3:42:19 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: OLD REGGIE
Enoch? Maybe, maybe not. Elijah? Apocrypha. Nuff said.

2 Kings is considered Apocrypha by your bunch? Interesting. I suspect that you've been hanging out a little too much with those more closely connected to the Reformation. What version of the Bible do you use, incidentally?

In any event these men preceded Jesus on this earth. There is no record of any person, with the exception of Jesus, being raised during His time on this earth nor yet raised because He has not yet returned!

Raised, or annunciated? Remember that Jesus, Peter and Paul all raised men from the dead.

7,630 posted on 09/29/2010 3:43:35 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: OLD REGGIE
I partially agree with you. The Patriots have a long way to go before they can be called "good". Sadly, the Bills have a longer journey.

Yes; when I was young, Marv Levy moved from the Montreal Alouettes to the Buffalo Bills and things got rather interesting...

7,631 posted on 09/29/2010 3:46:39 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
No she didn't lose her faith in God or Christ.

I saw an interview on TV(EWTN), and she explained what she was going through spiritually. She still had faith in Christ. However, she did not feel his presence anymore. Yet she still dedicated everything she did to Jesus. It was a very, very painful time for her. She never did lose her faith. Mother Theresa had a deep love for our Lord. How can you say that you love someone if you don't have any faith in them? She expressed her love of Christ all the time.

7,632 posted on 09/29/2010 3:50:11 PM PDT by Mrs. Frogjerk
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
No she didn't lose her faith in God or Christ.

I saw an interview on TV(EWTN), and she explained what she was going through spiritually. She still had faith in Christ. However, she did not feel his presence anymore. Yet she still dedicated everything she did to Jesus. It was a very, very painful time for her. She never did lose her faith. Mother Theresa had a deep love for our Lord. How can you say that you love someone if you don't have any faith in them? She expressed her love of Christ all the time.

7,633 posted on 09/29/2010 3:50:12 PM PDT by Mrs. Frogjerk
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To: RnMomof7; Natural Law
It was given to all mankind.

Read the scriptures in context, you will be amazed.. This was a teaching to the saved..it was not a teaching on HOW TO BE SAVED

Read through to the end of Chapter 7. It was the crowds that Jesus was speaking to. Luke 7 (the finish of the sermon on the plain) is even more explicit.

Luke 7: 1 1 2 When he had finished all his words to the people, he entered Capernaum.

The crowds were astonished in Matthew and Luke 7 says that Jesus spoke to all the people. Your interpretation is wrong. However, since you have posted that you believe that the Gospels are OT anyway, does it make a difference to you?

7,634 posted on 09/29/2010 3:51:05 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: OLD REGGIE

Funny, I hadn’t pictured you as Mr. Creosote...


7,635 posted on 09/29/2010 3:52:31 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Running On Empty
Thank you for these great quotes from St. Paul and for our “reasons for hope” that they give us as we journey to the Promised Land.

They are worth repeating again and again.

St. Paul is not the Jovian wrathful monster god that the Reformed believe that he is. Paul speaks at length of the love of God and the hope of all Christians that they might be with God forever in Heaven.

7,636 posted on 09/29/2010 3:55:05 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Legatus
I realize I'm a Catholic and therefore totally unfamiliar with Sacred Scripture but I was under the impression that 2 Kings was accepted by everyone...

My error. If your wiseguy response makes you happy I am also happy for you.

However, do you have a response to my major point?

"In any event these men preceded Jesus on this earth. There is no record of any person, with the exception of Jesus, being raised during His time on this earth nor yet raised because He has not yet returned!"

7,637 posted on 09/29/2010 3:56:19 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: OLD REGGIE
"So I am to understand you are in favor of castration whether natural, self imposed, or imposed by others?"

Only if applied to anti-Catholics.

7,638 posted on 09/29/2010 3:57:53 PM PDT by Natural Law (A lie is a known untruth expressed as truth. A liar is the one who tells it.)
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To: D-fendr
…and confused about the Church Fathers as well.

List them and end my confusion.

7,639 posted on 09/29/2010 4:01:31 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: Running On Empty
She is best understood by reading her works “The Way of Perfection”. It is hardly a primer for “out of the body experiences”; quite the contrary.

"As Teresa's experience in prayer deepens in the years following her illness, she begins to receive various "divine favors." First, entering the third and fourth degrees of prayer-the prayer of union and the prayer of divine union-is itself counted as a supernatural gift.
Second, Teresa begins to experience visions and voices which instruct her in, among other things, the processes of her deepening spirituality.
A third favor Teresa calls by several names: rapture, elevation, flight, or transport of the spirit. In these experiences she leaves her body in some type of spirit-form and is taken usually to "heaven," where various theological and spiritual truths are revealed to her. However problematic Teresa's narratives of out-of-body experiences are to the Western intellect, she insists that they happened just as she describes them."

[In Chapter XXII of her Autobiography Teresa goes into great detail in explaining the superior grace and benefits of raptures or transports to higher levels, apparently outside the bodily domain, and how much more humility they produce in the soul than the earlier stages of prayer, including what she terms the prayer of union
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This IS EASTERN MYSTICISM ..it is not from the God of the Bible

Mysticism attempts to gain ultimate knowledge of God by a direct experience that bypasses the mind.The problem of course is the evil one is active in this realm and the deceiver can build one a god they like and will want to spend time with.

7,640 posted on 09/29/2010 4:05:14 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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