Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[Dr. Eckleburg]

No answer from him, I see.

Figures. It must be very uncomfortable for RC apologists when Calvin and Rome agree about something, even if that agreement is predicated on different evidence.

[wagglebee]

I believe, and have suggested before, that the one billion plus babies who have been aborted worldwide are very probably the most visible victims of Satan’s agenda as fought by the culture of death. If this is the case, then it is reasonable to assume that the have received a baptism of blood not unlike the Holy Innocents.

[Alex Murphy]

Your question should not be why a Catholic such as me spends so much time on Catholic topic threads, it should be why those like you, who are not Catholics, have such a fascination with the Church.

Here's a fun exercise for you to try: apply your own rule ("Were you honestly concerned for the Godless you would be spending time on...etc") to your own posting history. What do we find? I can't find any non-perjorative posts regarding "Unitarians, Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Hindus, Buddhists, Animists, Muslims, Atheists and any number of cultists", if any posts at all. But you sure make a lot of posts about individual non-Catholics. Why do people like you, who are not Protestants, have such a perverse fascination with the thoughts of individual Protestants? As dear, departed Petronski used to say, "it's creepy."

I myself post all the time about the church. I also post about those who fall outside the church. Which means that, if we use your "spending time demonstrates an honest concern" formula, I've publicly demonstrated a more honest concern for all of them than you have. And I think I've managed to post threads about every single group that you named by name on multiple occasions, and before you named them.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Limbo is still taught in the RCC catechism. It’s still doctrine and it will most likely remain doctrine for the RCC.

Rome will just fudge the definition more than it already has and some will believe the lie.

[Legatus]

uh...

Who is “she”?

I think you need to go back and look at what you’re talking about and then contemplate my earlier admonition: “if someone can’t see what’s actually written it’s no wonder the wrong conclusions are reached. One wouldn’t be in error to surmise if that’s a failing in common discourse it might also extend to a complete inability to read, comprehend and apply the lessons of Sacred Scripture.”

Not only do you have the wrong end of the stick, you have the wrong stick and it’s not even a stick.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

(Natural Law) your own posting history. What do we find? I can't find any non-perjorative posts regarding "Unitarians, Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Hindus, Buddhists, Animists, Muslims, Atheists and any number of cultists", if any posts at all. But you sure make a lot of posts about individual non-Catholics. Why do people like you, who are not Protestants, have such a perverse fascination with the thoughts of individual Protestants? As dear, departed Petronski used to say, "it's creepy."

That is a truly fascinating and revealing observation, Alex. Thank you.

Ravens of a feather...

[OLD REGGIE]

Do note, I asked you to prove your statement that there are two contradictory comments in the catechism

You gave a link to one comment, not to anything that contradicts it. Please can you give an example to prove your statement that there are contradictory statements?

424 Moved by the grace of the Holy Spirit and drawn by the Father, we believe in Jesus and confess: 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God. On the rock of this faith confessed by St. Peter, Christ built his Church.

552 Simon Peter holds the first place in the college of the Twelve; Jesus entrusted a unique mission to him. Through a revelation from the Father, Peter had confessed: "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." Our Lord then declared to him: "You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it." Christ, the "living Stone", thus assures his Church, built on Peter, of victory over the powers of death. Because of the faith he confessed Peter will remain the unshakable rock of the Church. His mission will be to keep this faith from every lapse and to strengthen his brothers in it.

Was His Church built upon the "...the rock of this faith confessed by St. Peter" or on Peter "...built on Peter"?

[Natural Law]

" I can't find any non-perjorative posts regarding "Unitarians, Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Hindus, Buddhists, Animists, Muslims, Atheists and any number of cultists", if any posts at all."

The answer is simple, I don't care what they say about themselves or each other so I spend no time on their sites or threads. I only care that what is said about the Catholic Church is factual, which is why I lock horns with the anti-Catholics who frequent this site in order to spread and repeat lies and half truths about the Church.

[RnMomof7]

I believe, and have suggested before, that the one billion plus babies who have been aborted worldwide are very probably the most visible victims of Satan’s agenda as fought by the culture of death. If this is the case, then it is reasonable to assume that the have received a baptism of blood not unlike the Holy Innocents

You know scripture is silent on this.. Some theologians in the early church disagreed on when a baby received their soul,so this matter will not be resolved by men ..this is an area that belongs to God...

I would not consider the babies as martyrs as they are not being killed for the faith, they are being killed by selfish women that place themselves above God and their interest before the interest of their own child.. One thing I do know is if mom does not repent she will see eternity from a painful position

[Dr. Eckleburg]

I do care about the facts as they are found in the infallible, inerrant word of God . I do not much care what fallible men think or taught ...

AMEN!

It's pretty obvious Rome might do a decent job catechizing its members, but it sure doesn't teach them how to defend their faith from the Scriptures which is the Christian's only rule of faith and practice.

[Natural Law]

"Limbo is still taught in the RCC catechism."

No it isn't. Cite the section number or admit your error. Here is a link to assist you or anyone else in verifying my assertion:

Catechism of the Catholic Church

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Hey, I can easily admit when I’m wrong.

You’re a “he.”

End of error.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

I cited it yesterday. Do your own homework.

Yeesh. No wonder RCs can’t defend their faith from Scripture. They don’t put any effort into it.

[wagglebee]

The Church has ALWAYS considered the Holy Innocents to be martyrs, they died because Herod was trying to kill Christ.

Aborted babies die because the culture of death, on behalf of Satan, is trying to destroy Christianity.

I’m not saying this is theologically correct, but it is theologically possible.

[Iscool]

Were you honestly concerned for the Godless you would be spending time on Unitarians, Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Hindu's, Buddhists, Animists, Muslims, Atheists and any number of cultists. i am convinced that your focus on Catholicism is the subliminal hand of the Holy Spirit. Like Paul, one day your eyes will be opened.

Sorry but Paul's eyes have long been opened to your religion...That's why he preached against it so vociferously...

You forgot to add the name of your religion to the list...After all, after looking at the costume party going on in Great Britain where your guys and the others are playing religion, it's clear that your group should be listed at the front of the group you posted...

And then your pope had an ecumenical 'interfaith' meeting with the other religions of the world where your pope professed that ALL religions deserve repect from each other since they all worship God...

Problem with this 'interfaith' group, your pope never professed JESUS, the CHRIST...

You guys are in as much need of salvation as any of the rest of the religions you mentioned...And we're here to help...

[Legatus]

End of error.

If only that were the case. I wasn't objecting to the fact that comments were made, twice I pointed out that comments were to be expected. I was expressing my disappointment in the nature of the comments.

These things were made very clear, I'll try not to analyze why a person might have missed them, only that they were missed.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Limbo is taught in the Baltimore Catechism which has not been rescinded by Rome, but is still taught and believed.

PER THE BALTIMORE CATECHISM

Q. 402. Did Christ's soul descend into the hell of the damned?

A. The hell into which Christ's soul descended was not the hell of the dammed, but a place or state of rest called Limbo, where the souls of the just were waiting for Him.

Q. 403. Why did Christ descend into Limbo?

A. Christ descended into Limbo to preach to the souls who were in prison -- that is, to announce to them the joyful tidings of their redemption.

Q. 404. Where was Christ's body while His soul was in Limbo?

A. While Christ's soul was in Limbo His body was in the holy sepulchre.

Ignorance of Scripture is no excuse.

[count-your-change]

I don't find myself agreeing with kosta50 often but right is right and when he says,
“All Protestants believe that nothing they do can lose their salvation (but they haven't read the Bible carefully enough).”
he's right. Even one Scripture would show that salvation is an end result and not a set in concrete condition. As the apostle Paul said at Phil. 2:12, salvation was something to be “worked out” and Jesus said at Matt. 10:22, “..the one that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved”.

Examples abound but I think the above is sufficient.

[Alex Murphy]

The answer is simple, I don't care what they say about themselves or each other so I spend no time on their sites or threads....

"Were you honestly concerned for the Godless you would be spending time on Unitarians, Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Hindu's, Buddhists, Animists, Muslims, Atheists and any number of cultists."
-- FReeper Natural Law, September 18, 2010