Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
I didn’t single individuals out.
If you can stand before God and insist that the shoe doesn’t fit—great.
I'm not clear here: are you saying all those who believe in UFO experiences lose their faith? Or all those who believe the have experienced UFOs lose, or have lost, their faith?
Was that a yes? No? Maybe?
My point was if you are accusing someone of something, you should. Don't include me in your "y'all" did thi if I'm not in that group.
If you can stand before God
Good grief.
I say this because my son was in the Airforce...high security. He could never say exactly all he knows but spoke of the things the military can actually do, that would be almost unbelievable, with their various mechanics, technology, infrared rays and such. He actually was one of a team in one of our planes that could do this stuff. I won't get into detail but our military does have, and has had some very remarkable things which they have developed. Some of these crashes could very well have been that which the military was testing.
UFO”S are simply unidentified objects...not known by those observing them...I am not convinced there are extra terrestrials.... though of course possible things which we do not understand nor can identify...but this does not mean the speculation's of other beings or aircraft from other planets is so.
Our universe is gigantic..and I suspect many things float out there we cannot identify...but I have a real problem believing anything there is actually beings or craft from other planets....the science and math probabilities go more against this then the speculations that we hear.
I appreciate your perspective.
However, the critters at Roswell are now well documented.
Therefore what . . . is hard to definitively say. However, they were certainly construed to be NON-EARTHLY.
And their smell was hyper awful.
No, not saying that...I am saying that there are many in the NEW, though not really new, New age Spiritual Movement and the like... who have integrated UFO and space aliens into their beliefs and are promoting this to Christian believers...and using Christian elements to attract them. Once they are “hooked” and get into things like transcedental meditation or out of the body experiences, where they believe they are seeing Christ..and or fighting heavenly battles for Him,...it is a difficult thing to reason with them when the experiences they are having appear so real to them...and they believe they are real and of God. In the process of indoctrinating these people they loose their ability for critical thinking as the levels of “enlightenment” or “acession” thru various relmns rituals or practices are so intensive. It’s actually pretty awful but there are many “teachers” on line, where this is mostly happening and why it is spreading so rapidly, who “walk” them thru these practices assuring them that their fears are misplaced etc.
These are Christians who have been seduced and deceived...as with all cults...they use Christianity to do this. Eventually, if they remain in this..their true biblical beliefs become twisted....because this movement is very good at hoodwinkling people. Thus they do shipwreck their faith..they soon believe more of the nonesense then they do the truth...”You cannot serve two masters” one will become dominate and generally these experiences will win over “faith” as we know it to be.
INDEED. QUITE SO.
I wasn’t speaking of the “critters”, rather that of the metals that these people said they had not seen anything like them...these could have very well been the tests the military was doing with various metals for aircraft etc. which crashed.
As for the “critteres” I have seen and heard both views of that story and seen the documentation. We will have to differ on our conclusions of the “critters”. I lean toward that which was pretty much stated as a hoax. But then you likely have seen more than I.
I read the ‘hoaxes’ . . . as well.
They didn’t wash. None of them.
My relative also was told about the critters.
Too sleepy to respond better.
Good night.
God be with you and yours.
Thanks for your explanation. The combination of your posts make a good point and I know the type of groups you’re referring to, New Age is a catchall, but within similar things. Raelians and the Bop Comet group would be extreme examples.
I don’t know if you would agree, but I think the same phenomenon can also be wrapped up into Christian themes, without the TM and new age components. Instead they can be fit into end times, demons, etc. Diagrammed it would look like this:
1) UFO phenomenon > new age practice > off the edge
compared to:
2) demons/end times > UFO phenomenon > Christian practice > off the edge
Where:
Off the edge = loss of critical thinking, mixing biblical with fantastical, loss of grasp of reality.
What’s common is what you described in people attracted, fascinated by the, IMHO, fantastical theories. What I’m adding is MHO that the same folks can be caught up in a wrapper of New Age or of End Times, both of which lend themselves to a wide range of fantastic possibilities, appealing again to a certain type of person.
Excellent question, Bill. I'm sure I'm not qualified to answer that. It just seems to me that it is both/and.
What I am confidant in is that both the Secularists and Romanists believe that society should be ordered on the basis of intellectualism and that a ruling elite, due to their supposed intellect, should dictate to the masses what is best for them. So both apply the same form although the expected outcomes differ.
Liberal Protestant Christianity is likewise informed. Believing that man can be perfected by the law.
In the end I think it comes down to that it is inherent in man's nature to try and perfect the Law. That's why the Gospel is so radically counter-intuitive. To place trust in the performance of the Other and to lay aside trust in our own performance seems incoherent to our nature. It's far easier to succumb to the desire to fulfill the law on our own. Only by the grace of God can one be freed from the obligation to fulfill the law and know the law has been fulfilled already by Christ. The freedom to live for the One who set the captives free.
for the madman (like the determinist) generally sees too much cause in everything. The madman would read a conspiratorial significance into those empty activities....
Everyone who has had the misfortune to talk with people in the heart or on the edge of mental disorder, knows that their most sinister quality is a horrible clarity of detail; a connecting of one thing with another in a map more elaborate, than a maze.
So, wmfights, I ask you again — bkaycee has clearly stated (correctly, I might add) that he does not consider Unitarians to be Protestants. Are Unitarians, according to you, Protestants?
I watch international events pretty close as I think the alignment of nations and such has always been interesting and the leadership changes which occur....but no I do not believe Bo is the ant-Christ....nor that we're going to see Armageddon in the next few months....but we do live in interesting times and most do agree, even nonbeliever's that the world is on a collision course.....with God Almighty before all is said and done...but he has and can slow the developments down, and has done exactly that over the years.
I noted you mentioned the Raelians so I knew you had to be familiar in some respect. Starseeds is another and the galactic hoo-doo-vood-doo they claim. It's like all these groups are as big plate of spaghetti intertwined...but no direct leadership per say.....so it's tough to get at the root. But most are rooted in Hindu based practices just given different names to make them more modern and acceptable.
Although I understand you mentioning all these appealing to “a certain type of person”, often artistic types, people with high level of imaginations, and the love everybody crowd fit in as well, the Environmental groups are deeply into it in one way or another...Al gore is a good example...he's into it deeply and is what caused his marital issues. But I have to say more and more the dumbing down of our country has created minds which are now easily deceived by this as well.
There are problems with hierarchies. However, determining and maintaining correct teaching by democratic vote, combined with a proclivity to schisms, IMHO, creates much worse problems of error and heterodoxy.
You never answered that — according to you, are Unitarians (deniers of the Trinity), Protestants?
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