Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
There’s a big difference between the church not offering the cup as part of communion for centuries, in lack of obedience to Christ’s commands and example, and someone who is not able to partake of part of the element due to medical reasons.
And correct me if I’m wrong, but does the Church not have rice wafers for such a contingency?
Both elements should be offered and taken as possible because of the example and command of Christ Himself. The church not even offering the cup to parishioners is irresponsible and does a disservice to them in denying them the opportunity to fully participate in communion as Christ and His disciples did.
As far as people not drinking of the cup because of fear of illness, why doesn’t the Catholic church do as the Evangelical ones do and have small disposable cups to hold the wine/grape juice/ fruit of the vine?
That would address the hygiene concerns.
What you're talking about is a formal act of defection. Yeah, write the bishop and a notation will be made in the baptismal register of the parish of record. That has nothing to do with the active register by which census numbers are reported. Only one parish can count any individual at a given time, and only one parish would want to.
Each parish keeps sacramental records and an active parishioner roll, annually the parish will report baptisms, marriages, receptions into full communion, funerals, etc as well as "active parishioners". The "active parishioner" number is where the number of practicing Catholics comes from. If they just totaled up everything there'd be more Catholics on earth than people.
St. Whoozits doesn't want you on the register if you're going to St. Thingys because that'll mess up the parish census for St. Whoozits and because St. Whoozits might get stuck with the subsidy for you if you enroll your kids in St. Bobbys parish school. Nevermind that the pastor of St. Whoozits will have to face an angry bishop if he's got 10,000 people registered as active parishioners and his weekly collections are only coming from 500 envelopes.
Well, YOU can’t even spell edumication! Pot - Kettle - that dark color, reminiscent of Charon.
Have you seen the Dore’ engravings for the Inferno? Zowie!
It wouldn't be all that surprising for a variety of reasons. I don't think they will disappear though, because there are aspects to this church that are very attractive to a lot of people.
LOL
The people would have really been looking to their Bibles to see if he was right!
I'm not disputing the signficance of that, but from the viewpoint of disasters it hasn't been that severe. And the fact remains that nearly every generation for the past two thousand years has had something that they pointed to that some thought represented End Times.
yes, and now when you crow how you will “ferry the unlearned souls hereon from one spot to the next”, since none of them are as unlearned as the ferryman, you will see that they’ve already crossed in another boat.John 6:21
I THINK, but do not know, NO rice wafers, because it has to be wheaten bread.
But the question was what is the celiac person missing? Anything? That would help evaluate the gravity of withholding the chalice. I agree that there’s a difference.
(Incidentally your “big difference” is a fine example of the REALITY of what I’m calling “ideas”.)
“shot glasses” (as we disrespectfully called them at my Episcopal seminary), I don’t think there would be an objection in principle. I don’t know how “drop dead do not ever break this rule” this particular rule is, but I THINK there’s a rule that the inner surface of the bread container (paten or ciborium) or the wine vessel (chalice) should be gold, ceteris paribus.
2 Peter 3:4 (New International Version) 4They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation."
From the website of the USCCB:
Can a priest or bishop change this teaching and consecrate a host made of rice??
No. It is impossible to consecrate a host made of something other than wheat and water. No priest or bishop can change this longstanding teaching of the Catholic Church. A little over a year ago, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, once again took up this question on behalf of the Holy Father when he wrote: “Hosts that are completely gluten-free are invalid matter for the celebration of the Eucharist.”2 Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, circular letter to the Presidents of Conferences of Bishops, July 24, 2003 (Prot. 89/78-174/98) in BCL Newsletter, November 2003 (Vol. XXXIX), p. 45.
The Jesuits raised this question for reasons of inculturation when they entered China (or was it Japan?) in the 1600s, they got the same answer then.
All I see is a post of crowing.
But the key is Israel.
Israel has become a nation again, back in 1948.
The Middle ages couldn’t have fulfilled the prophecy in Daniel that says,....
http://bible.cc/daniel/12-4.htm
Daniel 12:4 “But you, Daniel, shut up the words and seal the book, until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.””
Ezekiel 38 and 39 describe end times scenarios that could not have been fulfilled during the Middle ages.
Moscow is about due north of Israel, the uttermost north. Persia is Iran.
Here is a link that offers some explanations about which countries could be the ones mentioned in Ezekiel 38 and 39.
http://contenderministries.org/prophecy/gogmagogPF.php
I wouldn't disagree that each generation is susceptible to believing the disasters they are experiencing are unique. The letters written to the Thessalonians is a good case in point. These letters offer a lot of insight into what to expect as far as the sequence of events because the Thessalonians thought they had been "left behind" and Paul was explaining to them what had to happen first. So we see in Scripture the same tendency in the generation following the Crucifixion.
There is pretty clear prophecy that tells us when we are very close to the return of Jesus Christ. The reformation of Israel. The return of Jews to Israel. A peace treaty with Israel and the muslim nations that want to kill all the Jews. The rebuilding of the Temple. Some of these things have occurred and some haven't. From my perspective it could be tomorrow, or a 1,000 years I don't know. I do believe it is sooner rather than later.
Learn something.
Let's see then:
The latest estimate from the Vatican is 1.16 billion.
WikiAnswers suggests 1.3 billion (significantly MORE than the 1 billion you claim).
Wikipedia reports the same number as the Catholic Church.
The BBC lists about 1.1 billion, but that was several years before the latest Vatican numbers.
In other words, ALL of these numbers are fairly consistent (though WikiAnswers is higher) and NONE of them suggest that the Catholic Church is overstating the number of members.
So I will ask yet again, can you name a reputable group with verifiable methods that suggests there is a significantly lower number of Catholics?
Would that be termed a "lie" since I have never claimed "omniscience" and you cannot prove your slander true?
It is generally understood that omniscience is required to know for a certainty the truth of what is in another person's heart.
I agree with you.
Interesting.
In Indonesia, where the staple of the diet is sweet potatoes not wheat, when the Protestant missionaries were discussing what to do about communion for the Christian nationals, some of them decided that it would give communion more meaning to portray Jesus as the sweet potato of life, something they could understand and really identify with, as opposed to bringing in wheat whatever and portraying Jesus as the *foreigners food of life*.
An interesting concept and one that works if one recognizes the symbolism of communion.
It is interesting how the question of, What happens to the USA? is getting clearer.
I agree!
I think the time we start "running to the hills" is when the Temple begins to be rebuilt. Right now there is that dumb shrine to the anti-christ mohammed sitting on the spot it needs to be built on. I don't see that being removed right away, but an earthquake tomorrow could change that.
IOW it is not possible to "know" what Unitarians believe. Any person who purports to is either a liar or arrogantly stupid.
Thanks
Now all we have to do is get everyone else on board and get rid of obama and the Rats. ;-)
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