Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[wmfights]

Nevertheless, the FACT remains that you have yet to cite any credible group that has verifiable statistics showing that the number of Catholics is overstated.

I think it's only a question of degree. It's been stated on FR threads numerous times unless a former RC send a letter to their former church they will remain on that church's membership rolls. Also, it's also been stated several times that once one is baptized as a RC they will remain RC forever.

[1000 silverlings]

It’s summer, I have been out summering, sorry

[nanetteclaret]

***the whole *Quix believes Jesus was bioengineered by space aliens* strawman has been thoroughly debunked several times already on this thread.***

Now you know how it feels when Catholics explain what our beliefs really are and people continue to ignore what we say and post inflammatory, bigoted, hateful lies.

You people can dish it out but you can’t take it.

[Mad Dawg]

Knock yourself out.

Reply to Objection 1. Because the change of the bread and wine is not terminated at the Godhead or the soul of Christ, it follows as a consequence that the Godhead or the soul of Christ is in this sacrament not by the power of the sacrament, but from real concomitance. For since the Godhead never set aside the assumed body, wherever the body of Christ is, there, of necessity, must the Godhead be; and therefore it is necessary for the Godhead to be in this sacrament concomitantly with His body. Hence we read in the profession of faith at Ephesus (P. I., chap. xxvi): "We are made partakers of the body and blood of Christ, not as taking common flesh, nor as of a holy man united to the Word in dignity, but the truly life-giving flesh of the Word Himself."

On the other hand, His soul was truly separated from His body, as stated above (Question 50, Article 5). And therefore had this sacrament been celebrated during those three days when He was dead, the soul of Christ would not have been there, neither by the power of the sacrament, nor from real concomitance. But since "Christ rising from the dead dieth now no more" (Romans 6:9), His soul is always really united with His body. And therefore in this sacrament the body indeed of Christ is present by the power of the sacrament, but His soul from real concomitance.

Reply to Objection 2. By the power of the sacrament there is contained under it, as to the species of the bread, not only the flesh, but the entire body of Christ, that is, the bones the nerves, and the like. And this is apparent from the form of this sacrament, wherein it is not said: "This is My flesh," but "This is My body." Accordingly, when our Lord said (John 6:56): "My flesh is meat indeed," there the word flesh is put for the entire body, because according to human custom it seems to be more adapted for eating, as men commonly are fed on the flesh of animals, but not on the bones or the like.

[D-fendr]

But since 1948 and 1967 things are moving faster and faster

And had you been around in the 5th Century, you would have seen a world spinning out of control.

An open mind, IMHO, is one without preconceived notions.

Open does not mean empty or without discernment. This is not your father's eschatology, but bioengineered robots housing demons, today, and a great deal more such comic book fantasies.

If someone tells me fantastic tales with no basis in reality, I'm going to discern that here is a person who believes in fantastic tales with no basis in reality.

Are you in possession of such an open mind that you believe this tale?

[Mad Dawg]

So DISH!

Fishing? Tanning? Vacationing? What?

[1000 silverlings]

lol

[Legatus]

Tanning vacationing fish, what what hey hey.

[Mad Dawg]

Quix wrote to you:
So, their weasel words end up in the Proddy position in more ways than one. LOL.

In post 3323.

[MarkBsnr]

Do you think that Scientology could have succeeded in a Catholic world, for instance?

Of course not. Nor would any such thing as religous freedom. A Theocratic Dictatorship would already have "disposed" of any dissenters.

Not under the Holy Catholic Church!!!! :)

Remember though, that the original colonies, with the exception of Maryland and Delaware, had state mandated religion; it took the feds to pry that out of the states' hands.

[caww]

There are many unknown developments which are occurring in the shadows across the International community QuiX, and often un-reported even when discovered. It's happening in the medical field, science and all other venues of research and investigation. Because it is not reported generally only select people do the investigations and often under various government controls for a good reason. If the facts were known just in the experiments with cloning done in the shadows...we would all have our pants in a knot.

Unfortunately there are dingbats out there and people who love to see the monies they can make by promoting conspiracy theories etc. Which unfortunately makes it difficult to discern what is reality from that manufactured or promoted for monitary gain. ....and the fruit-loops who go off into left field often fall for it all....then it runs the web and every other fruit loop adds their stuff.

I don't envy you trying to dig out what is real...and those who do likewise...but there is much out there that is not reality as you know.

[wmfights]

Within the past 6 weeks that was done to me. Where were you guys then>?

Ping me I'll argue against it.

[metmom]

Considering that Roman Catholics are the ones who keep insisting that one have to eat the literal, actual flesh and blood of Christ, as per their interpretation of John 6, and the Last Supper accounts, it is rather inconsistent of them to then claim that the material substance of what is consumed is still chemically, wheat and wine.

Literal means literal. Not, *It APPEARS to be wheat and wine but in essence is in reality actual flesh and blood*. If they’re going to insist that one has to eat the LITERAL, actual flesh and drink the literal, actual blood of Christ, as they say He and the disciples did during the Last Supper after Jesus turned the bread and wine into His literal, actual flesh and blood, then it jolly well ought to look, smell, feel, and taste, and test like human flesh and blood.

Otherwise, it’s just symbolic, as non-Catholics have been stating all along.

That’s contradictory.

[Mad Dawg]

Ooooops, pingety ping to that post to which this is a reply because I mentioned you in it.

[D-fendr]

Very well explained post.

Just wanted to let you know I got something out of it - before your pinged posters illustrate they didn’t get anything from it..

:)

[metmom]

FOTFLOL!!!

[OLD REGGIE]

What’s celiac got to do with transubstantiation?

Gluten remains in the host.

[metmom]

Poor babies.....

Isn’t there something about not retaliating in the Bible?

Or did Rome change that, too?

[Mad Dawg]

If the fish were vacationing, does that mean they weren't in their schools?

Oh I can't believe I did that!

[wagglebee]

It's been stated on FR threads numerous times unless a former RC send a letter to their former church they will remain on that church's membership rolls.

So, the truth about the Catholic Church is what's stated on Free Republic? That's hilarious!

So, I'll ask again, why do all of these non-Catholic statistical groups use the same number? Do you have the name of a credible group that can statistically show a different number?

Let's go ahead with this theory and look at a hypothetical:

Let's say that the Catholic Church is overstating their membership by 500 million people and groups worldwide are just accepting the Catholic Church's figures without doing any verification of their own. Since the number of Catholics and the number of non-Catholic Christians are all added together to come up with there being 2.1 billion Christians in the world, this would mean that there are really only 1.6 billion Christians in the world. What is the status of these other 500 million people?:

A. They are actually Muslims, Hindus or something else?
or
B. They don't actually exist and there are 500 million less people in the world than everyone believes.

Statistics is a fairly exact science and no statistician wants to risk being so wrong about how many Christians are in the world by accepting unverifiable numbers.