Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
Were you somehow able to travel through time to the Galilee 2,000 years ago and actually encounter Christ would any of your forensic tools be able to differentiate Him from any other human of the time? Would that diminish or disprove His divine nature?
The pastor sleeps in on Saturday...I have to wait til Sunday...
OK, I'll admit I was bluffing as were the other two parties involved. :-)
That is ridicule, from the Catholic perspective it's ridicule of Jesus. But not from the non-Catholic side.
A guideline against ridicule would be difficult to enforce and in some cases I can see it being abused.
I say it comes down to moderator judgement because it's more the totality of behaviour than stepping over a guideline.
As I said previously: Fanning the flames, intentional provocation, finding the most offensive ways to communicate a point.. over and over, without much attempt at discussion, is what I would flag as inflammatory. It may or may not include ridicule.
And, these are open threads, not protected for thin-skins. I think passionate belief is fine, however we can disagree without being disagreeable. But that's a difficult criteria to enforce.
If I were king (moderator), I would look at the thread as a whole and if a poster main efforts seemed to be to fan the flames and disrupt discussion, no matter how passionate, that poster would be the problem.
I remember in high school, there were usually provocateurs who would goad others into fighting someone else - "let's you and him fight" is the way we put it. They were cowards of course. But on the internet you don't have to worry about getting beat up so you can provoke without fear. But if the only intent is to provoke, fan flames, offend, ridicule, rather than discuss or debate...
That's the kind of thing I would remove from RF.
Interesting the RCs don’t tell you that many of them go to mass Saturday night so they dont have to get up Sunday morning. I wonder do they then keep all day Saturday as the Sabbath, or do they go to Walmart and mow the lawn etc. then what about Sunday? How do they keep that as the Sabbath since they went to mass Sat nite?
If your old truck was transubstantiated into a Cadillac Escalade it would continue to perform like an old truck though. In a very loose sense it’s like being born again, there’s no physical change in the person but there is a very real change. I repeat, in a VERY loose sense.
or maybe they keep a kind of Jewish/Catholic Sabbath, from sundown Sat to sundown Sunday?
Hmmmmmm....
You up for some Texas Holdem?
There you go...
Did you?
The Sabbath is considered lasting from sundown Saturday until sundown Sunday.
I didn't need to.
Excellent points...I went past a Catholic church last Saturday night about midnight or so...Parking lot was loaded...
Don’t know if they were making the necessary stop on the way home from the bar, or if they were trying to get a quick blessing before last call at the roadhouse just down the street...
“That is ridicule, from the Catholic perspective it's ridicule of Jesus. But not from the non-Catholic side.”
From the non-Catholic side, it's still ridicule. It's ridicule of what Catholics hold sacred.
One doesn't have to believe what we believe to understand what we believe and thus to understand that it is ridicule of what we believe. I'm quite sure that all but the most stupid people understand that the example I gave was ridicule of what Catholics hold sacred.
I could certainly understand it when drstevej would ridicule the things that LDS hold sacred, even though I don't believe what the LDS believe. And it was offensive, immoral and indecent. It was a disgrace to this website.
It comes down to basic human decency, a quality of which most of the active non-Catholic posters here on FR in the Religion Forum have none.
There are many more non-Catholic posters here at FR, actual decent people, but the bad posting has driven out the good. So, many of them don't show up on a lot of open sewage threads.
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Of course it would...Just like eating a cracker would perform like an eaten cracker...
And transubstantiating a truck or a cracker is by no means comparable to being 'born again'...
Well, they do claim they are the modern Israel...
Instead of always obsessing with the process lets have some substance occasionally. thanx
The change in “substance” can be explained to non-Catholics in this way:
You were a substantially different person before than after you were born again. I think you would agree that in a large and real sense ‘you are not the same person’ as before you were saved. You are changed.
Yet, if there were a full medical laboratory available at that instance of change, none of their instruments, no examination of your organs, cells, molecules or atoms, could detect that change.
What those instruments can see and detect, we call “accidents,” what changed in you, we call “substance.”
I had heard that to be the case but the only RCC services I’ve been to in recent years are funerals for family and I did not have the presence of mind at the time to notice or care much about whether communion was served and how.
Do you not believe in demons?
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