Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[Pyro7480]

Oh, is that why he specified how the Ark of Covenant was to be built?

[Pyro7480]

In fact Christ Himself was, per the bible, not much to look at

Where does it say that?

[1000 silverlings]

I’d rather meet God in an outhouse than meet the devil in a mansion

[Pyro7480]

That is one interpretation of that verse, but again, why would God care about how the Ark of the Covenant was to be built?

[caww]

I did a tour of the Vatican from their website...it is no wonder seen as an Empire type property. It's pretty massive Even underground vaults etc. But it all has that mausoleum museum look about it and far too many statues and paintings for my taste. It certainly has the appearances of royalty...and with the Pope as their Priest coupled with their political investments...it's like a small country all it's own.

They will indeed be tapped when the time comes...if for no other reason than their revenues. Some have indicated there will be a cold but effective merge with the ME faith...as is currently occurring with many mainline religions..and we see the resistance in our country. I'm not sure people will be able to resist enough to prevent these merges from occurring. The powers that be have already factored in the fallout of membership's when they attempt to bring it all on the same page.......

I think we may see the beginnings but the actual uniting of world powers and the leaderships of are yet further down the road some. But it's interesting to watch all the chess pieces moving. Sadly there is also a sifting happening within the body of Christ these days..and needful it be so...still the church is not as it should be and we have all suffered for that.

[Hegewisch Dupa]

Amen that. And thank the Lord those are not the only two choices.

[Quix]

If there’s any truth to that in your personal experience, Praise God.

Mostly, I can’t buy it, at all.

I just have a policy of GENERALLY avoiding arguing with folks about their personal experiences. They are the best experts on that, ALMOST regardless.

ON THE WHOLE, I see abundant evidence quite the contrary for a frightful percentage of RC’s.

And, even ASSUMING what you say is true, it seems like a HUGE DETOUR AND BASS ACKWARDS WAY OF GETTING TO JESUS.

[Quix]

INDEED.

I can’t remember the FOURSQUARE fellow in Eugene OR who pioneered taking over abandoned warehouses for churches. I was initially taken aback.

However, the emphasis was on WORSHIPPING GOD AND PUTTING THE MONEY INTO HELPING THE POOR AND INTO MISSIONARY WORK.

HARD TO ARGUE WITH EITHER.

[caww]

here it is Pyro.....”He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to Him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire Him.” Is 53:2

[wagglebee]

And then again the relationship between the papacy and the Holy Roman Empire was often quite good.

When? Please give specific time periods and not generalizations.

Rome has held temporal power, more or less for over 1100 years.

The papacy held considerable temporal pattern in western Europe for a several decades in the 12th and 13th centuries. Various popes may have tried to get it back after that, but they were unsuccessful (except at times within limited areas of Italy). Perhaps you should go back and read what you posted in 2307.

I am certain it longs for the glory days when it exercised its will by force.

And what makes you certain of this? And what is this "force" that you speak of? Various popes may have been able to command troops in parts of Italy, but that was about it. If the papacy truly had all the temporal power and access to force that you speak of WHY was the Orthodox Church able to leave in the 11th Century? WHY were popes PRISONERS of the kings of France for nearly a century? WHY were huge portions of Europe allowed to become Protestant a few hundred years later? Some of these claims really come across as comical in light of actually happened, it's a lot like listening to the left talk about Republicans.

Once everything else is stripped away, the Church is made up of people just like any other institution. What makes you think that modern popes want to live as popes did eight centuries ago?

Your statement is as absurd as me saying that Calvinists long for the day when they could burn heretics at the stake or soldiers long for the day when they could pillage cities and rape women. Anyone who believes these things is a fool.

[Quix]

I agree with Quix’s post and I’ll add adding restrictions on an open thread, IMHO, is playing into the left’s agenda of PC.

PC. Where the truth cannot be spoken and everyone must fall into alignment. Conservatism has no place for PC.

If one is thin skin and need restrictions/protection, they aren’t ready for battle. They have no place here, IMHO. There are caucus threads that would suit them better.

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THANKS. MUCH AGREE.

[1000 silverlings]

Before God gave the gift of the indwelling Holy Spirit, His Presence rested on objects. Sometimes He rested on the Ark, other times on people. the dimensions of the ark are not necessary for God to rest His spirit there. You seem to think one can catch God in a box? a pretty box? The Ark was a coffin, a tomb, an empty box.

[Quix]

ABSOLUTELY FOR SURE!

[OLD REGGIE]

I dont recall that Unitarians make that claim (Sola Scriptura). Maybe individuals within Unitarianism do. I was under the impression that Unitarians can believe almost anything.

You are absolutely correct in your understanding of Unitarianism and you are wise to ignore the scores of false postings concerning Unitarians.

Some people have too much time on their hands and have nothing better to do than cut and paste trash.

[caww]

Jesus.....

loves me.... this I know..... because the bible ....... tells me so.

And then he left

He did indeed. ;)

[Quix]

MORE THAN PLAUSIBLE TO ME.

[Pyro7480]

That was speaking of His Passion. Of course, a person who was beaten to a pulp and was crowned with thorns is not going to look attractive.

[OLD REGGIE]

Ridiculous. So we were once little school kids. No gospel was ever taught in public schools. Sunday school, yes, and bible stories (not so much verses) and parables were taught, along with songs like “Jesus loves me”. We were admonished to learn what sin was and avoid it. We were encouraged to love Jesus and be better persons. Where you get your ideas and information from is anybody’s guess.

Of course; however, facts have little meaning to some.

[metmom]

If one is thin skin and need restrictions/protection, they aren’t ready for battle. They have no place here, IMHO.

I agree.

I hate to think that the discussion is being manipulated or controlled by the thin skinned so that too much is disallowed under the guise of accusing someone of finessing the RF rules. There's hardly a way of disagreeing on a religious issue without someone complaining that someone else is calling them a liar.

If someone posts something that is not correct, a better response would be "No, that's wrong." Accusing someone of being a liar does involve presuming that you know the intent was to deceive, as opposed to not knowing the facts or being misinformed.

I would add, too, that if someone tells you that you are wrong, it would be courteous at least to correct the error instead of sending people off on wild goose chases to find the *truth* themselves. If someone knows that something is wrong, it behooves THEM to correct the person themselves and provide the evidence to back themselves up. A flat out assertion that someone is wrong with no correction with information is a waste of time. It's not going to convince anyone.

There are caucus threads that would suit them better.

I kind of thought that's what the different thread designations were for anyway.

[wmfights]

WM: Why does grandiose, beautiful, architecture have anything to do with real worship?

Wag: To tell you the truth, I don't really know. The pictures I posted were not of a Catholic church, in fact they were of a Protestant church.

So I guess you made the point that RC's aren't alone in building expansive, ornate churches with all kinds of things that Evangelicals think shouldn't be there. Touche' for you.

I guess this is like the persecution of Christians thing, "you did it to, so I'm not as bad".