Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[Quix]

INDEED.

Heading for bed.

God’s best to you and yours.

[DBeers]

The line between seems to be getting thinner amongst the rabid clique folks.

Interesting, I speak for myself -give my opinion premised alone upon my conscience -I do not address the "rabid clique" nor do I speak for a "rabid clique". MAYBE though I address a supposed "rabid clique" leader -one blinded by delusional grandeur? Is God proud of you today and looking without favor upon my humility? I do not know -nor do I pretend to know... I am not God, I am but a man -your brother in Christ...

[presently no screen name]

"And you knew an eyewitness to the Baptism of John Wayne." versusI did not witness the baptism of John Wayne, but did know a man who did.

There's something wrong with your understanding/comprehension. OldReggie said YOU KNEW AN EYEWITNESS - isn't that what you said?

[presently no screen name]

hatred toward that and those you disagree with

It is "THAT" and not "THOSE". We are to hate evil - and heresy teaching is evil.

[roamer_1]

Not Israel, unless by that you mean the Church.

Certainly Israel. It cannot be the Roman church, as it does not keep the commandments of God... And the Roman church has been the persecutor... more in the role of the dragon than the remnant of the woman...

[D-fendr]

Oh, good grief. That’s the kind of stuff that belongs in Know Nothing comic books.

I assume you are aware of Paul’s writing on Israel and the Church. Maybe not.

[roamer_1]

Oh, good grief. That’s the kind of stuff that belongs in Know Nothing comic books.

Ahh... so keeping the commandments of God is no big deal? The passage quoted specifically requires the keeping of the commandments as one of two parts describing the remnant of the seed of the woman. Wouldn't that be of particular interest?

[bronx2]

You need to educate yourself on how the area of governance a cardinal exercises can be and usually is very LOCAL notwithstanding his position as cardinal.

Move to St Louis and you can can have plenty of them in your neighborhood.

[bronx2]

Why do Presbyterians support the neo-Islamic theology of calvin. Do they also support the mosque at ground zero to promulgate this message of the prophet??

[Cronos]

What’s being argued in your Presbyterian website is clear —> READ it — the pdf points out the various heresies that the Orthodox Presbyterians find in the OPC.

[D-fendr]

Lemme guess: “Worshiping Mary.”

Comic book stuff, and tiresome.

[roamer_1]

Lemme guess: “Worshiping Mary.”

Look up the Sabbath Day, and the bit about graven images... and that's just in the "Big 10."

Rome does not keep the commandments of Yahweh.

[Cronos]

And, you can refer to "A Denomination in Denial " by Former Orthodox Presbyterian Church (OPC) ruling elder Paul M. Elliott which follows in the same vein as his large book, Christianity and Neo-Liberalism: The Spiritual Crisis in the Orthodox Presbyterian Church and Beyond

The report OrthodoPresbyterian C : A denomination in denial talks about how this conservative Presbyterian reviews the report on justification presented to the 2006 General Assembly of the OPC. Elliott demonstrates that, with the connivance of the 2006 General Assembly, which tacitly approved it, the report attempts to cover up the presence in the OPC of the false gospel (according to him) in the OPC.

here's a quote from this Conservative former OPC "elder" (NOTE: This is what your more conservative PResbyterian brethern (not me) say about you in the OPC)

For years, the neo-liberals and
their enablers have continually
pleaded for brotherly
love, understanding, and toleration,
while gaining evergreater
control. Today, neoliberals
and their enablers
clearly hold the upper hand.
Satan has won his war of attrition
against the one true
Gospel in the OPC (113).

The OPC long ago ceased to
proclaim the one true Gospel
to the exclusion of all false
gospels (115).

In fact, this

Former Orthodox Presbyterian Church (OPC) ruling elder Paul M. Elliott says in this report

" If you are still in the Orthodox
Presbyterian Church—
whether you are a minister, elder,
deacon, or general member—
and you are still loyal to
the unique authority of God’s
Word, and to the one true Gospel
the Bible proclaims, then
it is time for you to “come out
from among them, and be
separate” (2 Corinthians 6:17)
(118, 119).

The Orthodox Presbyterian
Church has abandoned the
marks of a true church of
Jesus Christ (118).

[D-fendr]

Seventh Day Adventist much?

[Cronos]

in fact the review (by Conservative Presbyterians) goes on to say:

This book ought to be read by every member of the OPC, as well as by those in the Reformed community who still harbor the illusion that the OPC is a bulwark of orthodoxy.

The book is required reading also for all those in ecumenical relation with the OPC, thus making themselves responsible for the OPC’s sins.

[roamer_1]

Seventh Day Adventist much?

Nope. Just reading the Word of God.

[Cronos]

And,

Christianity and Neo-Liberalism
The Spiritual Crisis in the Orthodox Presbyterian Church and Beyond
by
Paul M. Elliott
The Trinity Foundation
reviews this book and says:

This is a blockbuster of a book. One can only pray that its impact will, in God’s providence, live up to its potential. Not only is it well written, well researched, and well documented, but the author has a real sense of history, of church history that is. Back in the 1920’s, at the height of the fundamentalist-modernist controversy in the PCUSA, J. Gresham Machen, the leader of the conservatives wrote a book entitled, “Christianity and Liberalism.” In it he set forth and contrasted the theological beliefs of historic Christianity and of the liberals in the PCUSA. He convincingly argued the premise that liberals were not Christians and that modernism was another religion. Paul Elliott has taken that as his model and titled his book accordingly.

The author’s thesis is that the Orthodox Presbyterian Church (OPC) is today exactly where the PCUSA was back then.

[Cronos]

Again, this former OPC Elder's book says:

In chapter 2, “The Marks of Neo-Liberalism” the author compares the tenets of the old
liberalism, (frequently as set forth by Machen, the founder of the OPC) with those of the current neo-liberals in the OPC. The comparison is enlightening and somewhat shocking.

Has the OPC really returned to its vomit?

Elliott goes on in chapter 4, “Embracing the Principles of the Auburn Affirmation,” to buttress his case.

Systematically he analyses the principles of the infamous Affirmation, the manifesto of the theological liberals in the old PCUSA, and demonstrates that the neo-liberals in the OPC are espousing identical principles. Again his documentation is thorough and the results are convincing.

Progressively he is building a damning indictment of the true state of the OPC.

[Cronos]

Iscool: And they still died, and went to Hell...Without hope, without God...

So now Iscool is the arbitrator to decide whether a person accepted Christ or not and even if they do, according to you, do you then judge that they will go to hell as long as they don't join you in your thinking?

[Cronos]

Get over it.

Read the posts, Dr. Eck brought this up and I showed her how wrong she was.

The Problem with most sola-solas is that they do not read through and do not read in context. This is because when they are school kids they are taught excerpted bibles and out of context verses. They are taught one or two verses (St. Paul's epistles and one or two OT verses) and no gospels. This is simplified into "We be Presbos, we be rite, we be anti-Church". No wonder little school kids have no problem understanding a litany of hate....