Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[OLD REGGIE]

Best to ignore all which cannot be proven as authentic.

You are far too kind... :)

They know that the letters of Ignatius are spurious but they use them anyway as a major authority for their Christianism...

Wellllll some of the letters may be authentic or partially authentic. Sorting the truth from the long, mid, and short recensions is; however, a daunting task.

The apologist is content to pick and choose whichever of them suits his purpose and hope the reader doesn't question the source.

[1000 silverlings]

Well they have the Calvin Coven or some such, Judith was referring to two individuals, 2 Harpys and then pinged 2 people, but perhaps it was just a coincidence

[1000 silverlings]

no 3 people, she included bkaycee

[Mad Dawg]

Does that include those running out of Franciscan apartments or just those advocated by Catholic Bishops?

I think those just have plainchant. (The Church always messes up when it gets into areas outside its field.)

Seriously, I read somewhere that Aquinas thought that there ought to be bordellos allowed outside of cities. His thinking, supposedly, was that there is going to be vice, so let's manage it and get it out of town.

[Natural Law]

"Judith was referring to two individuals, 2 Harpys and then pinged 2 people, but perhaps it was just a coincidence"

Since Judith didn't name anyone your assertion that she was referring to anyone specifically is an attempt at mind reading. Besides, it probably was just a coincidence that individuals with an extensive record of "Harpish" behavior would conclude they were the ones being referred to, and those who recognize "Harpish" behavior would conclude the the same.

[Mad Dawg]

This is how weird this Forum is. You say, graciously, that I am not sunk over my head in Catholicism, and I feel I ought to thank you for the sentiment!

I have to consult Emily Post for the correct Response. How about, "Why, thank you! That's very papist of you."

They DO let me teach, you know, and sometimes ask me to write stuff. For the last two years I was 'detailed' to write the answers to the questions in our RCIA question box. They never actually built a pyre in the church quad, so I guess I did okay ...

So, please, seriously;
I said:
The Church too is a body, in some sense. But in that sense, whatever it might be, it is also vivified by the Spirit of Christ. And so it is Christ's body.

And you responded:
This is one of those things that IS covered in scripture and scripture disagrees with you...

So I'm interested. May I ask you to detail your thoughts a little? I have to say I thought I was saying something uncontroversial.

[Alex Murphy]

Seriously, I read somewhere that Aquinas thought that there ought to be bordellos allowed outside of cities. His thinking, supposedly, was that there is going to be vice, so let's manage it and get it out of town.

I've heard this is the reasoning behind the support for Halloween, Mardi Gras, and Carnival. Give people a "safe outlet" for their vices, and they'll be more obedient the rest of the time.

[Mad Dawg]

I've heard this is the reasoning behind the support for Halloween, Mardi Gras, and Carnival. Give people a "safe outlet" for their vices, and they'll be more obedient the rest of the time.

If you don't know that's not what I said, if you don't see that that was the rebuff of a friendly overture with a snotty, tendentious, glib, and false retort, then that has to be one of the shortest exchanges on record.

It's hard enough to find the truth in the midst of discord without people setting out to pervert discourse.

[OLD REGGIE]

I don't know that the letters of Ignatius are spurious.

First, do you think Ignatius wrote three versions of his letters?

Second, Is it possible that you don't know that some of his letters are spurious?

Third, are you playing a game?

[Jaded]

When actually read and not skimmed, it is funny. You could be my hero soon if you keep this up!

(ps: only if you don a fiddleback)

[1000 silverlings]

We need to be precise

2's company, 3's a crowd, and 4 harpy's are called a View

[OLD REGGIE]

My my, you certainly did grieve for a long time. But at last, you're back, working on converting those eeeeeeevil Catlicks.

Pure mean spiritness. This wins the prize.

[Jaded]

Did you see where the head harpy walked off stage yesterday? (I guess, it was on the news last night)

[Alex Murphy]

If you don't know that's not what I said, if you don't see that that was the rebuff of a friendly overture with a snotty, tendentious, glib, and false retort, then that has to be one of the shortest exchanges on record.

It's hard enough to find the truth in the midst of discord without people setting out to pervert discourse.

You have no idea how exceptionally hard it is on my end, trying to engage in honest discourse, when the other party allows their PMS to color the conversation. I'm so sorry that I bothered you with a sincere reply. I'll do my best to make sure that it never happens again.

[Jaded]

Not really.

[RnMomof7]

I asked first ....What I hear being admitted is it is fine that the NT church of scripture has no priesthood.. because the Roman church has a right and authority to make up roles in their church.. and I agree..

BUT what they do not have is the right to then claim THEY are the first true church designed by the Holy Spirit ...because there is absolutely no similarity

[Natural Law]

Best post of the day. Thank you.

[RnMomof7]

The root theological problem is that in the way they approach scripture, and especially in terms of their non-Biblical individualism, they do not understand what it means that the Church is the Body of Christ and the we are members of that Body, having different functions and role

My friend..how did I know that it would be because we think the bible means what it says..shame on us..

It NEVER USES the greek word for priest in the NT church ..NEVER

We do not get to interpret the scriptures to say what we want it to say.. That is Gods words and HE gets to say what it means ...

No where in the letters is a priest mentioned, no where in the NT is the priesthood carried into the NT church ...

I know it is hard..but if interpreting the word of God by what it says is true, then the Roman church is in error and all the practices and teachings are in question..

You are a very bright man..too bright to ignore the very words that are printed in the scriptures..God chose the greek language because it is very specific.. the writers knew what the word for priest was, and they never used it.. tradition can not change the meaning of the words..

[Natural Law]

"....What I hear being admitted is it is fine that the NT church of scripture has no priesthood."

What was admitted was that ample Scriptural support for the priesthood. The direct references include:

1 Peter 2:5 - be a holy priesthood to offer sacrifices through Christ 1 Timothy 3:1,8; 1 Timothy 5:17 - identifies roles of bishops, priests and deacons Titus 1:5 - Commission for bishops to ordain priests

Now, tell me where Scripture says that Scripture shall be the only source for the Revealed Word.

[RnMomof7]

Could you define sola scriptura for me?