Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
lol. That's not what Christ says at all. Neither His parable nor His explanation was not heard by those not given ears to hear. And thus He didn't heal them.
This isn't rocket science. It's written in black and white. Doesn't it worry you that it seems to be more important not to agree with a Protestant than to actually understand Christ's words?
Sure I did. From Mark. You like Matthew. They match.
And you’re wrong. Christ was not gnostic. Nor were His teachings.
Again with the misquoting. I'm saying you're veering into gnosticism.
Yes, you have to read the New Testament — which is what is done each day in Church at mass.And, of course, you put your own YOPIOS on my text, which was a false one "bible read in it's entirety at mass each day" to think that we read the entire Bible instead of my text which clearly points out we read from the various books of the Bible (OT, Epistles, Gospels) in their entirety rather than in excerpts. Just like the errors you make in scripture, these all derive from reading and misinterpretation.
All clear so far? We read from the New Testament each day in mass -- if you are an ex-Catholic, you would know this
And, unlike some of your groupings, we read the NT, OT in their entirety
We read The Bible in it's entirety, not excerpts
— we read the Gospels, the Epistles, Revelation, we read psalms, the Pentateuch etc. all in mass
If you are an ex-Catholic and / or have ever attended Sunday mass, you will hear the singing of psalms, the readings from the Old Testament, the New Testament (Epistles, Revelation etc) and the Gospel. we read all of these during mass -- from the entire Bible, not excerpts, not focusing just on the epistles, but showing how the OT points to the Gospels and the Epistles point BACK to the Gospels, since the Gospels are the CRUX of the NT
—> we, Christ’s Church, the One Holy Apostolic Catholic Church ARE the New Testament Church. This is evidenced in the reading of Acts, in the writings of First Century Christians (Didache, +Ireneus etc).
This is plainly obvious to anyone reading Early Christian text that the practises of the Early Christians, from the mass with the Eucharist to the apostolic succession etc. is the basis of Church tradition -- not only of the Catholic churches but also of our Oriental and Assyrian brethern who have been separated from us for centuries, a lot of the time by distance and hostile nations.
You’ve given zero evidence of understanding Christ’s teaching as to why He spoke in parables. Read the verses in Matthew. Hopefully, they’ll help you.
"And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given."
No, that's what He did. Told a parable, they asked, He explained. Now both parable and explanation are there for us in Scripture. And further, Jesus revelation, written and not, is the Deposit of Faith of the Church.
Some can "hear" some can't. Some hear some, some hear more. Some don't hear today, but hear tomorrow. Grace, teaching, scripture, praxis, faith, the sacraments. Available for all, not secret.
Not some magic double predestined special coded gnosticism.
"There are not a few Catholics, men of talent and learning, who do devote themselves with ardor to the defense of the sacred writings and making them better known and understood. . . . We cannot but earnestly exhort others also, from whose skill and piety and learning we have a right to expect good results, to give themselves to the same praiseworthy work. It is our wish and fervent desire to see an increase in the number of the approved and persevering laborers for the cause of Holy Scripture" (PD 54).And, of course, we read the Bible at mass too -- just as it was done in the days before universal education (which to remind you is just a century or two old) when most folks couldnt read...
You given zero evidence of understanding as to why Christ spoke in parables. Read the Gospels. Hopefully, they’ll help you.
Because it is gibberish.
Lemme guess: That means He had picked out the lottery numbers of all humans ever to be born - odd: burn in hell; even - OPC and decoder rings.
But this argument (or this section of it) was about the practice of the early Church, and the Didache, etc. were adduced to address that argument.Exactly -- Those posts seem to want to say that someone 2000 years later knows more about the lives and practises of Early Christians than they (the Early Christians) themselves knew and wrote about!
If you want to say that it doesn't matter what the practice of the early church was, then it doesn't matter whether the Didache and Irenaeus were inspired or not.
If you want to say that the early Church went off the rails, then whatever the practices proved (or not) by the Didache and Ireneaus, they would be irrelevant.
If you want to say that you at almost 2000 years remove know more about what went on in the early Church than people far closer to it, then we have to assess the likelihood of that proposition.
But if all you want to do is to say that your way is right, and that's it, then what are we doing here?
"Even here in the Church the gradations of bishops, presbyters, and deacons happen to be imitations, in my opinion, of the angelic glory and of that arrangement which, the scriptures say, awaits those who have followed in the footsteps of the apostles and who have lived in complete righteousness according to the gospel" (Miscellanies 6:13:107:2 [A.D. 208]).And for your own purpose, this even talks about Apostolic Succession to ensure that we remain true to the teachings of Christ through His Apostles.
Perhaps what some believe they “hear” (that others predetermined can’t hear), hear it wrong.
Course that would shoot holes in their whole theory, but they would never know it. It’s all the others that don’t hear it, can’t hear it; it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy.
That’s a good question, Cronos, but I suspect you’ll hear a “show me in scripture” from the same quarter pretty soon.
And yeah, the Gates of hell must have prevailed to support their theory.
Yep -- the cohanim, all those Cohens and Kahns and Kagans, etc. IIRC, a cohen is still not supposed to be in the same room with a dead body.
Good point — I wonder what Rn meant in that line?
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