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Intended Catholic Dictatorship
Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief

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To: D-fendr
There is God and then there's everything else. Rome tends to worship the later.

Icon/idol, it's all semantics. Either a man falls to his knees to the Triune God alone, or he falls to his knees to the stock of a tree.

10,301 posted on 10/11/2010 12:27:05 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Judith Anne

So much ignorant balderdash to anyone who’s been intensely and thoroughly touched by Holy Spirit in any viable Roman Catholic Charismatic group.


10,302 posted on 10/11/2010 12:27:54 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Thanks ever so much for interpreting scripture for everyone. Sadly, your interpretation is meaningless.


10,303 posted on 10/11/2010 12:27:54 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Judith Anne; 1000 silverlings

So much ignorant balderdash to anyone who’s been intensely and thoroughly touched by Holy Spirit in any viable Roman Catholic Charismatic group.


Anyone claiming to be an authentic Christian and who

encourages any other Christian to obey man rather than God The Holy Spirit . . .

is likely at least greatly flawed in their Christianity if not wholesale outside the category more or less totally.

Peter once had something definitive about that to say.

I though RC’s respected Peter.


10,304 posted on 10/11/2010 12:30:16 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Natural Law; Dr. Eckleburg; Judith Anne
The real agenda is this; the Catholic Church itself is the greatest icon of the truth and Calvinists are sworn icon breakers.

Deu 7:5 But thus shall ye deal with them; ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire.

Deut. 12:3-4: “And you shall destroy their altars, break their sacred pillars, and burn their wooden images with fire; you shall cut down the carved images of their gods and destroy their names from that place.”You shall not worship the LORD your God with such things.”

Num 33:52 Then ye shall drive out all the inhabitants of the land from before you, and destroy all their pictures, and destroy all their molten images, and quite pluck down all their high places:

10,305 posted on 10/11/2010 12:30:27 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
None of us know that Judith...

Then WHY are Calvinist/Reformed women so darned BOSSY????

10,306 posted on 10/11/2010 12:30:27 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Judith Anne
Thanks ever so much for interpreting scripture for everyone. Sadly, your interpretation is meaningless.

And yet they stand unchallenged by Rome's lack of Scriptural evidence.

That fact is telling you something. "Study the Scriptures to show yourself approved."

10,307 posted on 10/11/2010 12:31:34 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: RnMomof7
AMEN!

Feels good, doesn't it? 8~)

As God wills.

10,308 posted on 10/11/2010 12:32:43 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: D-fendr
Thank you for explaining...

But even with these idols being defined as Gods. Would this prohibition of Idols not also apply to any idol of any man or woman, creature etc. that is used in a religious manner? Especially when lighting candles before them...bowing before them, kissing them...and praying to the departed person they supposedly represent...as well as parading their image down the streets and the people bowing even then?

If that is not worship than what would call it?

10,309 posted on 10/11/2010 12:33:37 PM PDT by caww
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To: Judith Anne; 1000 silverlings; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; ...

Hey Silverlings, Dr E . . . et al . . .

The referent post just provided us several more QE2 equivalents worth

of irony

to add to the QE2 pontoons for the bridge from San Diego to Sydney via Hawaii.


10,310 posted on 10/11/2010 12:34:23 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

I find this command interesting..”You shall not worship the LORD your God with such things.” Pretty clear


10,311 posted on 10/11/2010 12:37:13 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Judith Anne
Then WHY are Calvinist/Reformed women so darned BOSSY??

LOL LOL.... I think I would say "direct" sounds nicer :)

10,312 posted on 10/11/2010 12:39:11 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: 1000 silverlings
This is getting to be too confusing.

I'm trying my best to simplify it. Do you understand what an idol is now?

10,313 posted on 10/11/2010 12:49:00 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Legatus

Yes that is correct....and your reason for saying it is not reliable? other than it does not compute with the catholic history you’re familiar with?

My point again...how does one even determine what is authentic history or not...both sides of the issue claim they are right. Catholics will also defend their understanding of their own history...and those who oppose will claim they are correct. Thus it does boil down to someone has to be the final authority in areas which can be established as that.....God’s word then must be that authority.


10,314 posted on 10/11/2010 12:49:19 PM PDT by caww
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To: Quix

Nope.


10,315 posted on 10/11/2010 12:52:39 PM PDT by Jaded (Stumbling blocks ALL AROUND, some of them camouflaged well. My toes hurt, but I got past them.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
There is God and then there's everything else.

I think that's an accurate reflection of some Reformed thinking.

However it leads to equating man with "everything else" and God as responsible for our choices and sins. There is not a hierarchy of being only a dualism. It leads to looking at ourselves the same as a dog or a tree and works against the truth of relationship - with each other, with the Church, with God.

So while it sounds good on quick hearing, but when we end up in such a place, we realize: somewhere we've made a wrong turn.

10,316 posted on 10/11/2010 12:53:57 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: RnMomof7

Who is “them” and “they” in these passages. Do you say it is Catholics—or anyone who has pictures?


10,317 posted on 10/11/2010 12:57:16 PM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: 1000 silverlings; Judith Anne

Based on your post and that I’ve seen on the religious threads I have to agree the catholic church is as divided on what they will or not adhere to as the protestants.

The difference I see is the protestants pretty much agree across the board on the basic tenants of the faith. It would seem some catholics do and others do not..the issue of mary is one of them and that of Christ’s position of authority in the church is another...others too but these are most concerning to me because to adhere to these does dethrone Christ from His rightful place...as do some who attach too much to the various idols and images of departed saints etc.


10,318 posted on 10/11/2010 12:57:57 PM PDT by caww
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To: mas cerveza por favor

idolators


10,319 posted on 10/11/2010 1:00:30 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: caww
My point again...how does one even determine what is authentic history or not...both sides of the issue claim they are right.

One has to depend on the principle of objective reality. You have to accept that historical fact is discernible and that not everything is propaganda. If you reject all history, how can you know the origin of the bible?

10,320 posted on 10/11/2010 1:06:14 PM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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