Posted on 08/15/2010 2:28:32 PM PDT by SmithL
I had my doubts, but nothing ventured nothing gained.
I had one person yelling at me, one person laughing, then it got nuked.
If you want martyr status, you’ll need to change your name to something we can put “St.” before.
; )
Dag, and I didn’t even get IBTZ!
Sadly, what he satirized is now the guiding agenda for the Episcopalians and some Lutherans. Obviously some could not see the satire and haven’t read their OT and NT. I saved a copy of the essay because it was so striking in its satire!
What, you don't like "St. Bustard the Arrogant, patron of card-carrying jackasses"?
Maybe it should be called the ELCA stampede.
I wouldn’t call it a stampede, not just yet. But by the end of the month, the North American Lutheran Church will be in existence, and I definitely expect to see a lot more congregations bolting from the ELCA.
Question: If the congregations vote to leave do they get to keep the Church properties.
Yes, but ONLY if they play 100% hy the rules, meaning holding two properly advertised special Congregation Meetings no less than 100 days apart in which 2/3 of the Voting Members present vote to leave.
If the congregation was part of the Lutheran Church in America (LCA) prior to the formation of the ELCA, or if it began after the ELCA's formation in 1988, it must also secure the permission of the Synod Council. No one is quite sure what happens if the Synod Council says "no", although there is a test case developing in the Florida-Bahamas Synod.
What lightman has said is absolutely correct. However, if they join NALC without leaving the ELCA, the ELCA would probably kick them out, and the congregation keeps their property.
Correct: The ELCA forbids “dual rostering” and the Constitutions state the congregations expelled for any infraction keep their property.
That can become the backup plan for congregations where more than 50% would like to leave but the votes fall short of 2/3.
It’s not about sex. It’s about dictating the terms of our salvation to the One who paid the price.
It’s quibbling with the rescuer over the color of the boat used to rescue us.
Why would a church join the NALC and not join the LCMS or LCMC? What are the differences among the NALC, LCMS, and LCMC? I think that the U.S. should have two or three groups of Lutheran churches. Instead, there are 12 or 13.
LCMS celebrates close communion and does not have women pastors. Those are deal-breakers for many leaving the ELCA.
LCMC & NALC both celebrate open communion and have women pastors. LCMC is more of a collection of independent congregations while NALC will be more structured and will have bishops.
Ping!
Lutheran Church of Mahomet ?!?!?!?!?!?
Whazzup widdat? Lutheran Muslims? (I hope it's just the name of a local town, otherwise things in ELCA have gone in an extremely weird direction).
In doctrinal formation. This is the point I was failing to make with you.
Two points. First, I would bet, those on the other side point to scripture condoning their interpretation of doctrine. We would both likely say this is a ludicrous case, but it still comes down to human vs. human on who has authority to determine what scripture means in terms of doctrine.
Second, "the authority of scripture" is itself a doctrine - determined again by some human authority.
In the sense that God's Word is final on any subject it covers. The human authority is a recognition of that fact. Catholics don't do that.
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