[the invisib1e hand]

Mary wasn’t divine as far as I know, nor part of the holy trinity

and yet, no Mary, no Christ.

Ergo, no Mary, no grace.

It's really that simple. Everything you think comes to you from Christ, would never have come to you at all had not Mary agreed.

You owe her thanks.

[GeronL]

I suppose we should also worship Pontius Pilate and Judas Escariot because without them then this whole thing would be moot too.

[Persevero]

“and yet, no Mary, no Christ.”

And yet, no Abraham, no Christ.

No Jacob, no Christ.

No King David, no Christ.

No Bathsheba, no Christ.

No Esther, no Christ.

No Ruth, no Christ.

No Boaz, no Christ.

No Joseph, no Christ.

Etc. Yet we are not told that all God’s graces flow through them.

I think we need to keep our love for Mary in proportion to the rest of God’s people.

[fwdude]

By your thinking, Mary would not be around except for HER mother, through whom Mary came. So why don’t you go show more respect for the Grandmother of God. But then the Greatgrandmother of God would be even greater... and so on, and so on.....

[armydoc]

Everything you think comes to you from Christ, would never have come to you at all had not Mary agreed.

A couple of points here. First, God told Mary through an angel that she would bear the Son of God. He did not ask her permission. Yes, she responded rightly. But do you really think she could have thwarted the redemptive plan of God? She says, "no thanks" and God says, "well, I tried. They will all just have to die in their sins". If you believe this, then your God is waaaay too small. Perhaps that is why you feel the need to supplement Him with Mary and the Saints? There are numerous examples in the lineage of Christ that His ancestors were faithful to the commands of God, by which they were positioned to be in Christ's lineage. Do they all get "hyperdulia"?

Second, the real power player in terms of whether Jesus is born to a husband and wife in the lineage of David was Joseph. He could have "put her away", but he obeyed God as well. Does he get "hyperdulia"? Why not?

[dartuser]

Shouldnt you also be paying homage to Marys mother ... who bore her ... without that act Jesus would not have been born. According to your logic this is equally important.

[caww]

No, we owe Mary nothing at all.....we owe Christ everything of the Glory He deserves. He paid with His blood...Mary did not have the righteous requirements of Christ...nobody does. That’s why He died...not her nor the saints...so that we now are seen thru Him...not Mary or any other departed.