Posted on 08/05/2010 12:36:10 PM PDT by NYer
Check your FReepmail when you have time.
What she volunteered wasn't, somehow, enough?
What is truly despicable is the one who will defend the guilty to accuse the innocent.
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We are lucky to have them. The ones who find their way to us are smart and faith-filled enough to continue to go wherever Truth takes them. They are thinking believers. God bless them! They bring new fire and fervor to our Church.
The ones who leave are the lukewarm, the disgruntled, the obstinate, the willful, the ignorant, and the selfish. Perhaps they will be happy in their new church.
We will be waiting for them and praying for them.
Actually, most people I have spoken with @ my church left the RCC due to its doctrine of Justification (or the lack of it), not divorce.
Nice language on #4, verga. How does both bitter water and sweet water come from the same spring?
GailA, this is not accurate. You could have left your husband in the Catholic Church and lived separate from him. As long as you remained chaste, you would be welcome in any Catholic Church and could receive Communion. However, your marriage was still viewed as a marriage bond since no man can put it asunder. You could have asked the Church to study your situation and perhaps they would have granted you an annulment- meaning study reveals that God was not part of your marriage vows because of some deep defect in one of you that prevented you from validly taking the vow.
Without the annulment, the Church would have to view your marriage as valid and your new relationship would be considered adultery. It would be for this public sin that you would be held accountable.
You may have been one of those Catholics who a) got bad advice, b) didn’t know too much about your Church, or c) did not like the rules when applied to you.
Whatever your reasons, your post about the Catholic Church’s position is not accurate.
The Catholic Church teaches that Jesus "opened" the gates, or door, to heaven, by his death on the cross. Yes, the Catholic Church teaches that God took on human flesh and died to "get me into heaven", but they teach I must also "merit" this beatific grace through my good deeds and through partaking of the sacraments of the Catholic Church.
Do you agree with me that the Catholic Church teaches that the justified man or woman is not merely a pardoned criminal, but an adopted son or daughter of God, part of his family and his household?
I would say they may teach this but prove by their further definitions of "justified", that they do not believe 'grace' means what I believe it means. For example, if they truly believed that we are "pardoned" and become the adopted children of God by faith, then how can they not believe in "once saved always saved"? How could we become unborn again? We are sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise "until the day of redemption", so to send us to hell after we are born again would mean he would go with us into hell for eternity.
Do you agree with me that the Catholic Church teaches that God loved you enough that, after dying that humiliating death, and making you his daughter by adoption, he gave himself, Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity to you as food for the journey?
When I accepted the gift of eternal life God gave me by grace through faith, he indwelled me with his own Holy Spirit. He IS part of me and I am part of his body always. When I participate in the Lord's Supper, or Communion, I am showing my faith by doing this in remembrance of his sacrifice for me. I do not need him to be re-sacrificed over and over for my sins because he by ONE sacrifice has perfected us forever. He never leaves us or forsakes us.
If you don't agree with me that Catholicism teaches those things, then you left something you never understood.
I understand very well what Catholicism teaches, I studied it, and I still learn more all the time. I put myself through Bible College because I wanted to know the Scriptures.
If do agree with me that Catholicism teaches those things, then what further "assurance of salvation" could anyone possibly want?
No Catholic I have ever talked to has ever said they "know" they are going to heaven when they die. They will say they "hope" they will but admit that they think nobody can know for sure. This is the result of teaching faith AND works for salvation. It muddies up the gospel of grace and ultimately it boils down to human merit in order to be saved.
Not surprising that your paragon of truth and objectivity publically endorsed Obama for President and was fired from the National Review and is now writing what amounts to a gossip column for Tina Brown... Alex, have you no pride?
Patently not true.
"But when we hear that 54 percent of American Catholics voted for President Obama last November, and that this somehow shows a sea change in their social thinking, we can reasonably ask: How many of them practice their faith on a regular basis? And when we do that, we learn that most practicing Catholics actually voted for Senator McCain." - Archbishop Charles Chaput.
Interesting that the years you cited in your chart are the same years that Ronald Reagan voted Democrat.
usually in cases of abuse an annulment can be granted and your 2nd marriage would be licit if you should decide to come back home to the catholic church.
When you talk about someone, you’re supposed to use enough FReeper etiquette and ping them.
And GailA volunteered nothing that indicated that she knew beforehand that he was abusive.
Point number two in verga’s post was pure speculation on his part. It was totally uncalled for, so, yes, he did accuse her of something of which her had no knowledge, blaming her for marrying a man she knew was abusive. And it remains despicable that he would blame the victim.
I know someone who decided to become Catholic after being raised somewhat Baptist. What she told me made her want to be was the church not backing down. I’ve never believed that most people seek religious fellowship in order to be told how wonderful they are in all their worldliness.
Way too many Catholic FReeprs on this forum reinforce on a daily basis my decision to leave the Catholic church. They are no different than the Catholics I grew up with and worked with.
A more callous group of people claiming to be followers of Christ exists. There’s nothing more condescending and judgmental than a Catholic who thinks they’ve arrived. The whole religion fosters a superior to thou attitude.
As nothing has changed in their attitudes and words towards *outsiders*, nothing is going to change in my status.
sounds like the bible belt where the divorce rate and the rate of born agains are the highest....hmmm... do i see a pattern here?
And I thought that in the bible, divorce is wrong and forbidden.. I thought right...
I say to you, 7 whoever divorces his wife (unless the marriage is unlawful) and marries another commits adultery.”
Way too many Catholic FReeprs on this forum reinforce on a daily basis my decision to leave the Catholic church. They are no different than the Catholics I grew up with and worked with.
A more callous group of people claiming to be followers of Christ exists. Theres nothing more condescending and judgmental than a Catholic who thinks theyve arrived. The whole religion fosters a superior to thou attitude.
As nothing has changed in their attitudes and words towards *outsiders*, nothing is going to change in my status.
That’s been a LOT of my experience too—but far worse hereon.
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