Posted on 08/01/2010 1:39:03 PM PDT by marshmallow
I have not called you any names, called you ignorant, or insulted you in any way.
You can go ahead and have the last word. I leave you with a quote I read today from Irish Calvinist, which made me think of our exchange. I don’t know that it will do any good, but maybe.
“Some of the more obvious examples of this is the ‘like to fight…or debate…guy’. He is also known as an evangelist or apologist. But actually he is a trash talking egomaniac who sits around thinking up one liners that he can use in a crowd or drop like a forearm shiver on his Twitter account. He is a grade ‘A’ Christian trash talker who is no different than Ochocinco or Terrell Owens.
My point here is that there should be no such thing as Christian smack talk. If we have something to say it is not about how great we are but how bad we are and how great Christ is. It is pretty jacked up to use Jesus’ band-with to promote your own glory. We need to be about Christ and his gospel. And when people see us they should know it. There should be no confusion on this.”
Just because someone disagrees with you does not mean they are automatically stupid. You disagree with me, but I don’t consider you stupid. To just label someone “ignorant” when they disagree with you, and use sarcastic insults against them, does not behoove you.
Vladimir has a long history of angry posting on FR. He is unlikely to change soon, sadly. I don’t know why he gets so mad, and your point about him not winning anyone that way is well taken.
There are many polite and reasonable Catholics on FR you can have discussions with without being trashed and insulted. Sadly Vladimir is not one of them, and is not a good representative of the RC church IMO.
Yes, there seems to be a cognitive dissonance there. I can’t really dialogue with a person who just wants to vent his spleen. Thanks for the observation.
You wrote:
“I have not called you any names, called you ignorant, or insulted you in any way.”
It wouldn’t matter to me if you had. You posted falsehoods. I proved it was a falsehood. Anyone who posts such an error is either ignorant or dishonest. There is no other explanation. Which is it?
“You can go ahead and have the last word. I leave you with a quote I read today from Irish Calvinist, which made me think of our exchange. I don’t know that it will do any good, but maybe. “Some of the more obvious examples of this is the ‘like to fight…or debate…guy’. He is also known as an evangelist or apologist. But actually he is a trash talking egomaniac who sits around thinking up one liners that he can use in a crowd or drop like a forearm shiver on his Twitter account. He is a grade ‘A’ Christian trash talker who is no different than Ochocinco or Terrell Owens.
My point here is that there should be no such thing as Christian smack talk. If we have something to say it is not about how great we are but how bad we are and how great Christ is. It is pretty jacked up to use Jesus’ band-with to promote your own glory. We need to be about Christ and his gospel. And when people see us they should know it. There should be no confusion on this.””
You can try to excuse what you did anyway you like. Again, it is either ignorance or dishonesty on the part of anyone who posts that Catholics “re-sacrifice” Jesus. Perhaps someone who posts that thinks it’s okay to lie? Is that it?
“Just because someone disagrees with you does not mean they are automatically stupid.”
But it does mean that they are ignorant if they post that Jesus is “re-sacrificed”. And for anyone claiming to be a Christian to say that Catholics “re-sacrifice” Jesus, when every Christian knows it’s impossible to do it, and no Christian even claims he wants to do it, that would indicate rank dishonesty on the part of that so-called Christian. What will your response to that simple - and unescapable - point be? Will you ignore it just because it is undeniably true? Probably.
“You disagree with me, but I don’t consider you stupid.”
Disagree with? YOU DISAGREE with reality. You seem to be twisting yourself into a pretzyl to avoid the simple truth: anyone who would claim Jesus is “re-sacrificed” is either ignorant or a liar. There are no two ways about it.
Do you have the courage to answer this simple question? Is Jesus “re-sacrificed” by anyone, anywhere, ever?
If a person says yes to that question, he must be ignorant. It has nothing to do with my personal opinion. It is just a fact. I am not asking you about the national anthem of Burkina Faso. You claim to be a Christian. For any Christian to say that Jesus is “re-sacrificed” would be a sign of extreme ignorance or dishonesty. There is no other explanation possible. None.
“To just label someone “ignorant” when they disagree with you, and use sarcastic insults against them, does not behoove you.”
One more time, can Jesus be “re-sacrificed: by ANYONE, ANYWHERE, EVER??? Can it be done? The answer - and every Christian knows the answer - is NO. A Christian would know this. Thus, if a person is a Christian, it can only be ignorance or dishonesty for a person to claim Jesus is “re-sacrificed”. There is zero chance of any other possibility. None.
Everything I wrote is true and undeniable. That fact will not change. If you can’t take the heat...
You wrote:
“Vladimir has a long history of angry posting on FR. He is unlikely to change soon, sadly. I don’t know why he gets so mad, and your point about him not winning anyone that way is well taken.”
Marie, I am not mad. I am long used to the fact that anti-Catholics repeatedly lie. I see no reason to not post that fact repeatedly when the lie is so obvious and unadmitted. Perhaps you have no problem with lying? I think for someone to lie about the Christian faithful is disgusting. I guess it doesn’t bother you.
“There are many polite and reasonable Catholics on FR you can have discussions with without being trashed and insulted.”
Everything I said was true and absolutely undeniable. Saying that Catholics call for or “re-sacrifice” Jesus is clearly dishonest or grossly ignorant. There are no other possible explanations.
“Sadly Vladimir is not one of them, and is not a good representative of the RC church IMO.”
What is not a good representative of the Catholic Church is the lie that we “re-sacrifice” Jesus. I am not surprised that you do not denounce such a lie but instead denounce the person opposing it.
You wrote:
“Yes, there seems to be a cognitive dissonance there.”
Wow. So saying Catholics “re-sacrifice” Jesus when we don’t and can’t is not cognitive dissonance? Hilarious. There we see the sagging edifice of anti-Catholicism. To lie about Catholics and their beliefs is okay, but to oppose it is “cognitive dissonance”. Incredible.
“I can’t really dialogue with a person who just wants to vent his spleen. Thanks for the observation.”
Just wants to vent his spleen? Again, is claiming Catholics want to “re-sacrifice” Christ - when no such thing is even possible and we have always said He was sacrificed once and that was enough - is that venting YOUR spleen?
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