Posted on 08/01/2010 6:54:34 AM PDT by narses
No...they are free in Christ to live and follow Him...and no longer under the law of regulations and rules as He fulfilled that law in Himself. This means we are no longer seeking our will but His...we walk by faith and trust in Him as He lives His life out thru us. We desire His will for us, knowing that He is fully dependable to carry that out in us as we yield to Him.
The drinking issue is a good example....if one is an alcoholic then they have no business drinking and they know it...they know to do so means they will fall again into drunkedness and the loses which come from this lifestyle. But for those who are not prone to overinduldging this is not sin for them. Moderate drinking may be perfectly ok and they have no confiction about this.
I think that when one is accustomed to walking with the Lord, apart from the props to do so, seems quite awkward at best to try to do so after the fact...and at worst as if an affront to Christ. I can understand some returning to the catholic church after once leaving...it is familiar to them. But for those who have walked with Christ to return to the rituals etc. just seems hard to imagine...so one can wonder where their salvation was actually rooted to begin with....in a church and it's dogma or the person of Christ. It does seem God will Himself have to do the sifting when all is said and done.
Oh do we know have a self apponted time keeper in when posts are responded to and tracking of those?
Nice thing about FR is one can and does choose who and if they respond to any poster and when that will be...we don’t all hang out on Fr 24/7.
God will indeed to the sifting, and while as evangelicals who hold to the supremacy of Scripture and its basic literalistic interpretation, we most universally agree on foundational faith such as are affirmed in the Nicene Creed, and thus also oppose principal doctrines which are contrary to that, and which rest upon an authority over Scripture, but can allow various degrees of interpretation in secondary matters, which Rome also does, officially as well as effectually.
Bennett should be well known to Freepers. He's the author of a website entitled The Berean Beacon which is much beloved of some of our Protestant brothers and sisters as a source of polemical material. There was a period about 2-3 years ago when one of Bennett's essay was posted on FR about twice/week.
Many an unforgettable triple digit flame war has been spawned by his essays.
Interesting post. Definitly worth reading, and studying.
Not all Queen Mothers were nice little old ladies.
2Ch 22:10 ¶ But when Athaliah the mother of Ahaziah saw that her son was dead, she arose and destroyed all the seed royal of the house of Judah.
2Ch 22:11 But Jehoshabeath, the daughter of the king, took Joash the son of Ahaziah, and stole him from among the king’s sons that were slain, and put him and his nurse in a bedchamber. So Jehoshabeath, the daughter of king Jehoram, the wife of Jehoiada the priest, (for she was the sister of Ahaziah,) hid him from Athaliah, so that she slew him not.
As you wish. I can also keep up with red herrings.
>>>1 Kings 2:12–21
12 Now the sons of Heli were children of Belial, not knowing the Lord, . . .<<<
I found that wording in 1st Samuel 2:12-21, but not in 1st Kings. What am I missing.
In light of what I witness and have been subjected to here on FR, this statement stands out for me.
I'm going to look up this Thomas Aquinas fella and see what other nuggets of wisdom he has.
Good post btw, thanks for posting it.
It is much better to recognize there are differences which are expressed in these debates, and those often supported by the resources some choose to use or not. As well as opinions, which also have enlightened us all. Then to categorize everyone under anti-catholic who might disagree.
All in all the threads are highly informative and one can learn a great deal by overlooking the name calling and condescending posts, such as those posted in this thread, and just move on to other posters who are actually IN the debates or offering an opinion of the matter at hand.
It is not uncommon for either side to have a sense of being jolted out of their comfort zone.....some come back with insults and derogatory remarks...others are challenged to seek out further truth on the matters....in doing so they grow and learn and so do we. It is better than being stoic and bringing out a sword..that of damaging rather than encouraging further discovery of the truth. One can easily discern those who debate and those who gripe and groan.
Few if any here can claim superiority over another in what they know as truth, for Christ recognizes and accepts people are at various levels of learning and their walk with God...and we should do likewise in not only accepting where they are at but as He did with His own disciples, enlarging their understanding. If we can no longer learn from debates then we are all far far less than we think of ourselves. It has been said when the student is ready Christ provides the teacher....He also provides the discernment to tell who is able to teach and who is not when that time comes.
It is difficult sometimes to discern who the real teachers on FR are....but it becomes obvious in the debates when the thread becomes nothing but mudslinging...very revealing then who is who...and really in the know or not. Some are more worthy to learn from than others....that too apparently so.
I would not pity any who are learning and drawing closer to the Lord for participating in these threads...rather a reason to rejoice that they care to be a part of. They will learn as I have done and continue to do along with many others.
If there is any fail it is to this post I respond to as it does nothing but tear down any who offers opinions which do not adhere to your idea of the faith. Fortunately few will give it much attention as is commonly known and repeats the same o same o., that of course aside to the regular cheer leading squad.
On the other hand I see across the evangelical community they are basically solid in their fundamental belief's. There seems to be a connection by His Spirit among them...where as with the catholics a connection to the church itself....not so much their basic doctrines.
You just can't go wrong with Chesterton.
Pray tell, is the rule against say divorce one that you think Our Lord did not “impose” on us?
The other posters are correct in their assumption that you misrepresent Catholicism for what reason one wonders.
I prefer face to face where those like you can't resort to obfuscation, misrepresentation and non-sequiturs which are your ploys in avoiding facts refuting the worship of Mary which doesn't find a kindred spirit in your theological comfort zone.
The protestant belief system is an imperfect belief in Jesus without the sacraments He provided us to obtains graces needed for eternal salvation. Obviously your ilk feels your own efforts can achieve Jesus without His divine assistance.
Protestantism has been historically cursed with division. There are over 30,000 separate units in this nation alone. Finally Jesus Himself told us to shake the dust from our feet of those households who do not accept His word. You certainly are not at this level but must strive to reach a higher level of personal relationship with Jesus to obtain eternal salvation.
You are welcome. Vlad pointed it out.
I understand that, and in fact the Catholic church considers getting drunk to be gravely sinful.
OTOH, I live in the city where the Southern Baptist Convention has its headquarters. I know for a fact that, up until a few years ago, a person employed by their publishing house who was caught having a drink (that's ONE drink) -- outside working hours, on his time, on his own nickel, even if it was just a beer while having supper with his wife in a restaurant -- was subject to immediate dismissal from his job, even if he wasn't a Baptist!. (I know that from people who worked there.)
You want to talk to me about arbitrary, man-made rules and traditions imposed without Biblical authority?
And don't get me started about the Pentecostal groups that won't let women cut their hair and other such goofy nonsense.
My point was that there's NO shortage whatsoever of man-made rules and traditions in the Protestant camp.
One of them had the priest's mother going to hell by saying the Hail Mary. It was later found out that he was serial criminal. A forger of checks in several states. Also never a priest and total con-man. He was found out by Christianity Today. And I think Walter Martin who was an intelligent decent caring Christian apologist pointed it out too. But people still use this material even today. You look at the falsehoods with these books which can't find a source before 16th century. Hyslop's Books are virtually made up and connected by sheer magic of the mind. He tries to connect the dots of paganism to Catholicism.
Then there is the fake phony fraud half truths of "Foxes book of Martyrs". What a trash book. Yet with all this phony books people do not know which way is up. A constant brainwashing and amen corner slap happy agreeing.
I pray in the spirit while saying the Divine Mercy and Rosary. I know these are true.
John 16:12-15 12 "I have yet many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that ARE TO COME. 14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. 15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you."
"DECLARE TO YOU THE THINGS TO COME."
I believe he is talking about that after the Holy Spirit on the Day of pentocost and when He breathed Apostolic succession JOHN 20:21- 21Again Jesus said, "Peace be with you! As the Father HAS SENT ME, I am SENDING YOU."
Thats a power of Attorney to be passed on until the second coming!
I believe the Holy Spirit told me this for real.
God meets a Christian were there at in life. A humble and contrite heart he will not ignore. He is not about who has the fullest knowledge only. We all are baby, teenager and adult Christians spiritually. We are children of God.
Interesting encounter. I noticed no mention from either you or the ‘anti-catholic’ hosts on the Catholic teachings on Mary as a coredeemer, the Redemptrix, I think is the Catholic label given. What is your knowledge or belief on this label?
Perhaps that they know so many that are simply feeling ‘comfortable’ in membership to the Catholic church with no knowledge of their salvation, no biblical understanding, and in fact (especially in many Latin cultures) actually being instructed that they don’t need to ‘study’ the bible, to ask a priest for clarification. I used to believe this was a protestant ‘misstatement’ but I have seen it in south America.
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